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    BSA light pattern query

    Hello guys.

    I finally got myself a light pattern BSA at the recent fair, but when I got home I realised that in all the excitement I did not notice that the trigger block is not from the light pattern, but is from standard. The rifle shoots well, but this discrepancy will be an eyesore to me.

    Does anyone have a light pattern trigger block with the right trigger guard with the longer tang?

    I am also Considering selling it for 180, what I got it for to those who are not as picky as me for the rifle being "complete". But would try the trigger block replacement first.

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    https://ibb.co/M9gg4vz

    Thank you.

    George

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    Personally I think 180 would be plenty if it did have the right trigger block..
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    I have not seen anything below 200 in my search for a light pattern. Often 230-260. So you are saying that in the current condition 180 is too much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by airRookie View Post
    I have not seen anything below 200 in my search for a light pattern. Often 230-260. So you are saying that in the current condition 180 is too much?
    Maybe prices have moved up, but yes, I would have thought an average condition (but correct) light patten would be around 200, like this one: https://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread...ttern-for-sale
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shed tuner View Post
    Maybe prices have moved up, but yes, I would have thought an average condition (but correct) light patten would be around 200, like this one: https://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread...ttern-for-sale
    Thought that was a good price too. Shame I missed it. What would be a fair price for one like mine?

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    You also have a standard pattern cocking lever. Have you inquire that it may be a light pattern or junior model of a standard might be a rare one. Whats the serial number. You don't want to get rid of it or alter it if its a genuine mod for a customer by BSA you might regret getting rid of it as a rare bit of kit. I assume the trigger block was changed thats if, as an improvement over the early trigger units.
    Although you have the gap for a tang on the trigger guard area on the stock, how do you know that the stock is a replacement, the original stock broken. With the trigger block and cocking lever of a standard, i would be more inclined to think the stock is the odd one out, although both light pattern and standard stocks are similar in shape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC312 View Post
    You also have a standard pattern cocking lever. Have you inquire that it may be a light pattern or junior model of a standard might be a rare one. Whats the serial number. You don't want to get rid of it or alter it if its a genuine mod for a customer by BSA you might regret getting rid of it as a rare bit of kit. I assume the trigger block was changed thats if, as an improvement over the early trigger units.
    Although you have the gap for a tang on the trigger guard area on the stock, how do you know that the stock is a replacement, the original stock broken. With the trigger block and cocking lever of a standard, i would be more inclined to think the stock is the odd one out, although both light pattern and standard stocks are similar in shape.
    Did not know that! Thank you. How did you know the cocking lever is from Standard? I mean, I see lots of light patterns with that lever. No one picked that up before. No idea what is genuine here unfortunately. Serial number on the trigger block is S34414. The only other marking I have is Q7 or 07 on the barrel under the cocking lever. The seller did not tell me much what the rifle was, and I was just trusting it to be genuine as I was buying at the airgun fair. Just asked is this a light pattern, the seller was not sure what I meant, and one of the guys next to me said that it must be. Been looking for one for ages, so I just grabbed it.
    Last edited by airRookie; 28-02-2024 at 12:07 PM.

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    Well the early light pattern either has a duck billed lever of two types and the later with side catch on the cocking levers. The standard s or c post 1919 patterns have a release at the front of the cocking lever. Stacked up against the odds of having standard trigger block and lever against a stock with a tang i would say the stock needs changing because if guns are abused as most were then the stock would get damaged first. If in the 1920-30 why would you put on a standard trigger unit and cocking lever on a older gun, at the time new guns, i suspect an expensive exercise at the time, why not purchase a junior or ladies standard gun, plenty about at the time.
    Does your gun have a stamped receiver cylinder on the top like BSA paintent etc like the early pre WW1 BSA have, as a standard pattern has no stampings, it had etched markings in silver, so if it wore off over time it would be a plain cylinder. You could have a rare bit of kit, i think they done a Ladies or junior pattern standard, not sure if they are rare. As for people selling not all sellers are experts.

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    PS show us more detailed photos would help.

    Have a look here might help. https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC312 View Post
    PS show us more detailed photos would help.

    Have a look here might help. https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/
    Will take more pics in the evening. Will be interesting to see what they will tell you about the gun.

    Thank you for the input.

    George

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    Looking at your pictures it looks like you just need to change the trigger guard, not sure if it a made one, home workshop job.

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    There is a lot of confusion in this thread.

    The cocking lever fits the action, so must be right.

    Trigger blocks are interchangeable, so can be switched from one gun to another instantly.

    Both the post WW1 .177 Light Pattern 39" and .22 Sporting Pattern 45", are both BSA STANDARD air rifles, so the use of the word standard is very confusing.

    The rear tang on the trigger guard does not fit the cut out for it on the stock, so it is likely that the trigger guard is a replacement, and not a genuine article.

    Whilst I have seen many Light Patterns with 141/2 inch stocks, I have also seen light patterns with 131/2 inch stocks, so both can be correct.

    The S- prefix before the serial number denotes that the trigger block originally comes from a .22 Sporting Pattern, however will work perfectly well on a 0.177 Light Pattern.

    Lakey

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    Possible a gun assembled from parts, and, as such I'd say 180 is too much.
    The South of England has 2 good things, the M1 and the A1. Both will take you to Yorkshire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC312 View Post
    PS show us more detailed photos would help.

    Have a look here might help. https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/
    I have taken more photos now. Please have a look at the way the foresight is positioned. The rifle shoots very accurate, but what the hell is with the foresight being to the side?

    https://ibb.co/fqm8fbW
    https://ibb.co/b5tz7Lf
    https://ibb.co/BLXfWRL
    https://ibb.co/RzgmBvW
    https://ibb.co/WpjD0bw
    https://ibb.co/H4Q6BCh
    https://ibb.co/crrVFY9 <- foresight picture
    https://ibb.co/4gFGH9y

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