HW 57 ! What do we think ?

[4end]

It seems to be the "forgotten" Weihrauch !

I've never had one or in fact seen one and I have no feelings one way or the other on its appearance, performance or otherwise.
What I will say is, I'm getting older and after many years of handling various "hand cannons" of several makes, I find lightweight airguns easier to handle and shoot.
This particular modal has always (from a distance) taken my interest and now seems appealing !

Whats the verdict out there, especially with owners and users obviously, are they fun guns and worthwhile the ownership ?

If you like it that much you should look at the gun its design was filched from, the Gamo Cf20. Make no mistake, the Gamo produces energy just under the limit and is highly accurate. Some shooters will tell you the trigger is crap but it is nothing that cannot be fixed with a small washer and a longer adjustment screw and you have more chance of finding one than a HW.

[TonyL]

You got the synthetic stock version didn't you, what's your opinion of it Tony ?

Yep. I have four of them, John. The last one being the synthetic. If I was going for my first one, I'd most likely go for beech.

Tom Davies has done some lovely custom stocks for them.

[TonyL]

So.....main reasons for suggesting the 30 over the 57........

John mentions a lightweight gun is now required and the little jewel that is the 30 will be a fair bit lighter.

Ease of loading.

No concerns over the breech, giving more confidence.

Ridiculously light cocking effort, especially useful on those long plinking sessions.

Very, VERY accurate.

The firing cycle is utterly sublime. Even out of the box they're lovely. With just a mild fettle they're truly something special to behold and the firing cycle matches (probably betters, in most cases) that of the most "hyper-tuned" more "premium" rifles. And this sublime firing cycle makes it so forgiving. I bought my first one in 2010, encouraged by the fact that this rifle is well loved in the 'States where most can have unlimited power, despite the little rifle's modest output.

With the rifle becoming much more popular over here in recent years, there's a wealth of knowledge, information and aftermarket parts.

If you ever decided that the 30 wasn't for you, resale proposition would be much easier than with the 57.

The only slight misgiving is the possibility of the "galling", where the cocking lever might nibble away at the cylinder, but this can easily be checked for and mitigated against.

[KWK1]

I shot other guns with pop up breech. And I don't like trying to push a pellet into the pop up. Being a dedicated break barrel guy. Rather shoot the 30's, 55's, 99's, and 95's. And other brand break barrels. BSA, Webley, Theoben, etc. My 77 doesn't get shot.

Like the MK1 '77, You can't remove the front sight. Without a hacksaw

[TonyL]

You can remove the foresight / underlever catch assembly by applying heat to soften the glue and then tapping it off with a hammer and a block of wood, but would need to then fit an alternative underlever catch.

[Blackrider]

Wholly take your point/recommendation on a 30 Tone I really do, but long term a 99 is going to suit my needs practically, tuning wise, power, shortened barrel, CS L/H stock and moderated.
Not for plinking either but you’ll have guessed that !

PS. However, let’s say, I’ve been known to succumb to a mad impulsive urge to buy something I like at times.

[TonyL]

The 99s are superb, John, so a good choice. Not much larger or heavier than the 30 and very refined, too. And, as you've pointed out, that CS stock could be fitted.

If there's room in the cabinet.....get both!

[Blackrider]

The 99s are superb, John, so a good choice. Not much larger or heavier than the 30 and very refined, too. And, as you've pointed out, that CS stock could be fitted.

If there's room in the cabinet.....get both!

“Gonna need a bigger Cab”. !

[Brad3]

So.....main reasons for suggesting the 30 over the 57........

John mentions a lightweight gun is now required and the little jewel that is the 30 will be a fair bit lighter.

Ease of loading.

No concerns over the breech, giving more confidence.

Ridiculously light cocking effort, especially useful on those long plinking sessions.

Very, VERY accurate.

The firing cycle is utterly sublime. Even out of the box they're lovely. With just a mild fettle they're truly something special to behold and the firing cycle matches (probably betters, in most cases) that of the most "hyper-tuned" more "premium" rifles. And this sublime firing cycle makes it so forgiving. I bought my first one in 2010, encouraged by the fact that this rifle is well loved in the 'States where most can have unlimited power, despite the little rifle's modest output.

With the rifle becoming much more popular over here in recent years, there's a wealth of knowledge, information and aftermarket parts.

If you ever decided that the 30 wasn't for you, resale proposition would be much easier than with the 57.

The only slight misgiving is the possibility of the "galling", where the cocking lever might nibble away at the cylinder, but this can easily be checked for and mitigated against.

I never really got on (in accuracy terms) with guns which moved pellets to align with barrels.
It seems like a surplus requirement when the HW77 went to all the trouble of allowing pellet entry direct into the rifling, while if you wanted a lighter gun for hunting, the break barrel does it with no question mark reg gates, or taps. The 57 therefore seemed pointless to me.
However, the obvious gun to line up against the 57 must be the 50 with like for like power plants.

My only caveat to this is a venerable old Lincoln Jeffries who's tap had been let in by hand with lapping paste. During rare periods of the Leather seal having optimised itself so that it was still supple from the oil but the oil having burnt off, it would continue to group 11 ftlbs into stupid small groups at crazy ranges when my eyes were still great.
Wished I had hung onto that one.
This suggests any gun of this type, must have perfect alignment from its tap, or gate for it to be worth considering and how does one guarantee that at the point of sale. Risky then.

[TonyL]

Quite. And my old 1906 BSA/LJ's going nowhere.

[TonyL]

“Gonna need a bigger Cab”. !

Hee, hee, hee!

[TonyL]

Wholly take your point/recommendation on a 30 Tone I really do, but long term a 99 is going to suit my needs practically, tuning wise, power, shortened barrel, CS L/H stock and moderated.
Not for plinking either but you’ll have guessed that !

PS. However, let’s say, I’ve been known to succumb to a mad impulsive urge to buy something I like at times.

There's a 99 in the Sales section, John.

[Blackrider]

There's a 99 in the Sales section, John.

Seen it Tony but I've a few "irons in the proverbial fire" just now so I'm weighing all my options up as yer do !

[Blackrider]

A sincere thankyou to all the Members who have contributed to this thread but I'm putting it to bed just now until I get the opportunity to see and check out a HW 57.
Feel free if you wish to contribute further, no worries !