just picked up a HW85 in .22 saw it yesterday only the wife was with me so nipped back this afternoon to have a better look had to have it ,its from 1987 with the raised scope rail and the forestock like the 77 angled not rounded and the long barrel, over the chrono 10.50 with Accupells with an easy action ,my question is what would you expect from a Hw 85 compaired to say a HW80 or the later 95 as all my other Weihrauchs are at full or almost fullpower .off to the doctors now for tablets to stop me buying Weihrauchs only a few more to call full HOUSE except for the HW60