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    How much has changed in the collecting world?

    I sometimes think younger collectors don't know they're born!

    When I had my first stab at building a vintage airgun collection in my teens in the early 1980s, I relied on small ads in Exchange & Mart, Gun Mart, and also Dennis Hiller's lists which he posted out every few weeks. I was fortunate to have AGW each month, which had started up a few years earlier and helped both to inform me and put me in touch with dealers.

    Very occasionally airguns would turn up in sporting gun sales at the posh auction houses in London, but they were generally out of my price range and I couldn't afford to travel around the country to the smaller auctions. The London Arms Fair at Lancaster Gate yielded one or two items, but was mainly a disappointment.

    My main recollection of those early years is frustration () - at having such limited funds and having to save for ages to buy my next gun, at having so few places to look for it, and at having so little access to reliable information. I had Dennis's first two books, on air rifles and pistols, and must have read each one several times over. I devoured the collectors' pages of AGW too, but it was never enough.

    Having sold off most of my collection to raise much-needed cash in the late '80s, when I returned to the game 25 years later - a little better off and driven in part by nostalgia - I couldn't believe my luck! Today's budding collector has at their disposal: numerous dynamic discussion forums, a range of wonderful books, magazines galore, dealers' websites and online auction sites to browse, airgun collectors' fairs, some of the world's most knowledgeable collectors a few clicks away by email...etc etc!

    I suppose some things might be considered worse now than the old days, depending on where you stand. If you wanted to start a collection of Webley pistols today you might end up spending a bit more, for instance. And whereas in those days you could answer a printed ad a week after publication and be in with a chance, now you have to be very quick off the mark for a choice items. But overall I return to the thought that new collectors these days don't know they're born.
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    Well said, I think today the collectors are just that - they collect the things they want! Pre-internet the enthusiasts were more like hunters on some kind of quest or detectives. The international reach of the internet means things which I imagined were completely unobtainable can be googled, offered on and PayPal'd in an afternoon. I remember seeing the Falke 80 in a copy of Wesleys 'Airguns and Airpistols' in the early 80s (or even late 70s) and I never thought I would ever see one - and I ended up owning two of them (thanks Danny)!

    There must still be alot of stuff lurking in attics and garages (I know of a Sheridan Blue Streak bought before the 12 ft/lbs law hanging by a hook in an attic even now), but with the advent of this website and others, when the clearout comes there is an easy place for the inheritor or treasure hunter to take the old airgun to market.

    I agree with Garvin, the collectors have it way too easy now - and airgunners in general. The modern pellets give such fantastic accuracy even from older rifles, and almost anything can be machined up, whatever your maddest fantasy is, it can be produced for less than a week's wages.

    Just imagine, at one point the Normay Vixen, a tarted-up HW35 Export with a Tasco 4x40 scope and H&N Match pellets were the ne plus ultra of sporting combos! No better kit existed for the sportsman. Not that it isn't a lovely rifle but there is so much more choice now and performance is taken for granted. A half-inch group at 25 yards was super accurate not long ago. Pellet-on-pellet seems dull and clinical by comparison.

    The only thing is that the modern PCP is not really collectable, unless it is really unusual and then they tend to be the 'junk' guns which never worked properly in the first place. You know what I am talking about. Maybe an early Galway Fieldmaster or AA Shamal could be considered collectable, but they just don't have any real sould so they are not really interesting. Rifles made on CNC machines are just less interesting and if it is a PCP then who cares, they are all pretty much the same ... Springers rule in terms of collecting, even a small collection of them is interesting, try a BSA Cadet, a Whiscombe, a Weihrauch HW85, a Feinwerkbau 150 and a BSF 70 and you can really see so much of the gunmaker's art. Five PCPs would just show five tubes with valves attached.


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    Those were the days....

    Ah, indeed, nostalgia ain't what it used to be eh?

    I too am long enough in tooth to remember how much of a challenge collecting anything was in the 60/70's my first was cigarette boxes - fantastic as I got to smoke many strange brands of fags, in the days when cigarette smoking was commonplace and you could smoke anywhere you liked! Imagine - such horror!

    I graduated to many different collections until I was old enough to drive and then my focus and all my disposable income went on motors and improving them, everything went to 'fuel' this expensive habit, fag boxes, stamps, coins, the lot!

    Now I am so thankful that it's far easier and more accessable to all, the internet is a wonderful thing - and to think it was invented purely for porn! Well, maybe - and now it's use infiltrates every aspect of everyday life, we are truly blessed.

    In my humble opinion, of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogsk View Post
    Now I am so thankful that it's far easier and more accessable to all, the internet is a wonderful thing - and to think it was invented purely for porn!
    It was actually invented for nuclear war-fighting (decentralisation of the communication network deemed essential for the doomsday), and only then the porn-monkeys got their hands on it. So yes, possibly an Instrument of the Devil but clearly it has its innocent uses too ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    It was actually invented for nuclear war-fighting (decentralisation of the communication network deemed essential for the doomsday), and only then the porn-monkeys got their hands on it. So yes, possibly an Instrument of the Devil but clearly it has its innocent uses too ...
    Yes, decentralisation was the reason given, but that was just a front......

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    Garvin. Just out of interest. What did you keep from your first collection and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barryeye View Post
    Garvin. Just out of interest. What did you keep from your first collection and why?
    I kept (to this day) the first rifle and pistol I bought new: an FWB Sport and a Webley Tempest, plus a Webley Mk2 Service and a boxed post-War Webley Senior. I just couldn't bring myself to part with them, despite needing to raise cash at the time. I worked like a dog labouring on building sites to pay for the Service, so it would've been like pulling teeth to part with it! I remember cycling down to Victoria Station to meet the seller off the train and cycling home with it broken down in my saddlebag, pleased as punch to own one at last.
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    I get a good laugh by reading posts like these. I spent my teenage years in the late 50's and early 60's when the only things we collected were segs and blisters! My wage at 15 was £3.27 per week, not per hour - per WEEK! I married at age 21 when I was paid the princely sum of £19.00 per week as a Fireman working 56 hours per week.
    I didn't start 'collecting' until my mortgage had been paid off - 17 years early by paying as much as I could afford just to be rid of the debt, and by then prices had risen so much, all 'free money' was eaten up by the increasing cost of living.
    Kids complain that times are hard today, Hard?? they don't know what hard is!!
    Gripe over!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herpquest View Post
    I get a good laugh by reading posts like these. I spent my teenage years in the late 50's and early 60's when the only things we collected were segs and blisters! My wage at 15 was £3.27 per week, not per hour - per WEEK! I married at age 21 when I was paid the princely sum of £19.00 per week as a Fireman working 56 hours per week.
    I didn't start 'collecting' until my mortgage had been paid off - 17 years early by paying as much as I could afford just to be rid of the debt, and by then prices had risen so much, all 'free money' was eaten up by the increasing cost of living.
    Kids complain that times are hard today, Hard?? they don't know what hard is!!
    Gripe over!
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    Sounds like you had it tough alright Eric, no question. But airgun collecting-wise you've got it easy now, that's my point, see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    Sounds like you had it tough alright Eric, no question. But airgun collecting-wise you've got it easy now, that's my point, see?
    If by that you mean I can now afford to pay your very reasonable prices, then Yes, I agree!

    BTW, your inbox is full!
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    I found collecting more fun when you could still advertise openly to buy/sell guns in local newspapers, I very often received a phone call and went to look at a gun without knowing what on earth it was going to be - excellent when someone produces a pile of airguns they found in the shed when they moved in.......disturbing when some old boy tries to sell you his war trophies
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