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  1. #1
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    Thumbs down Glad that someone likes this scope because I've been very disappointed.

    I have 4 Hawke scopes ranging from the Sidewinder 30 3-12x50 to the HD 3-9x50 and including the 4-16x50 Varmint SF so you could say I'm a Hawke fan that's for 3 of the models I have but sadly the Varmint SF is the odd one out. Like the poster of this thread I selected this scope with great care for a NV application, I wanted a side focus for a Challenger monocular NV scope and similar narrowed it down to the Mamba Lite or the Varmint SF. The eye piece tube needs to be straight to take the NV mount and that rules out many scopes with illuminated grats. The Varmint met the spec at a price I was prepared to pay so I bought the 4-16x44 and paid £135 from Uttings which for the spec. was a good bargain I thought. I've never got on with it however I'm afraid firstly like someone else has found on this thread the eye relief and alignment is highly critical on this scope, a fraction off and the image whites out, not at all what you want on a hunting scope. I couldn't understand this effect as the exit pupil shouldn't be any more critical than many other scopes. Even at lowest zoom when the exit pupil should be at its highest this scope is still very critical. I did some investigation and discovered that the off axis stray light exiting the eyepiece is quite high hence if your eye is off axis then the image gets flooded and loses contrast resulting it whiting out unless you are dead on axis. I suspect that in order to get a side focus mechanism in a 1 inch tube the light baffling has been sacrificed and there’s consequently a lot of scattered light getting through. I think Hawke in trying to keep the cost low with a one inch tube have seriously compromised the design. Far from the high contrast image promised in the product promotion the contrast is poor (the HD range is far better). In bright daylight it's just about acceptable but in low light forget it. The critical alignment issue makes its use on the NV monocular very fiddly to get a good image. The 4 times zoom is also a bit too much I feel for the quality of the optics especially at the x16 on this model. Image sharpness also suffers at the edges but would be acceptable on a budget scope if this were the only problem. I'm also not convinced that the mill dot is true at X10, I don't measure it at the standard moas. The half mildot graticule is quite thick as some have noted though I don't find that an issue. However the turrets are the poorest I've used, the clicks being non existent at the extremes of the travel giving no feel at all. I'm also not entirely convinced it maintains its zero as I've found I often have to adjust it during a session. I've used this scope on a HW100 and a ProSport with similar results.

    The net result is I've added an eyepiece extension to help with eye alignment and contrast (off axis light is also improved with a sun shade tube) and relegated this scope to daylight target shooting use and bought the Sidewinder for my original application, an all round improvement albeit at more than twice the price. If you must have a side focus and will be using it in good light at the lowest 3-12 Zoom range I suppose the Varmint SF might be worth considering at a bargain price otherwise spend a bit more and get a better scope.

    Terry

  2. #2
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    It does sound like the 4-16 is a different animal to it's 2.5-10 little brother . . . . .

    I use this on my ratting rig (BSA Hornet MS) with the Challenger NV, and once you have played with all the focusing on the scope and NV it works really well - so much so that I have not felt it necessary to experiment with other scopes like the MTC.

    I agree that some of the mechanics are not 'top draw' but for the price, they ain't bad.

    And, once the NV is in place, the eye relief / alignment is not an issue (although I didn't find it too off putting as it was - perhaps down to my shooting position / style ? )


    Regards

    JonP

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    Why is the Varmint SF produced im 2.5x10 and 3X12 mags I wonder?

    Quote Originally Posted by JonP View Post
    It does sound like the 4-16 is a different animal to it's 2.5-10 little brother . . . . .

    I use this on my ratting rig (BSA Hornet MS) with the Challenger NV, and once you have played with all the focusing on the scope and NV it works really well - so much so that I have not felt it necessary to experiment with other scopes like the MTC.

    I agree that some of the mechanics are not 'top draw' but for the price, they ain't bad.

    And, once the NV is in place, the eye relief / alignment is not an issue (although I didn't find it too off putting as it was - perhaps down to my shooting position / style ? )


    Regards

    JonP
    2.5X10 and 3X12 are so similar it seems odd Hawke should do both I wonder why. Terry

  4. #4
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    My feed back!

    I have been using a 4x16-44 SF Varmint... I have had no issues with the eye relief, but I do know that the SF is not spot on... Our club range is 25 yards .. but the SF has to be set at about 30 yards to get a clear target... Hawke have confirmed that the side wheel can be adjusted to sort out the alignment by loosening the three small allen keys... but care not to remove the cap should be taken .. if you do the gas purge will be lost... So maybe not a total confidence booster in my mind.


    Other than that its been a good scope, but the when the SF is set to 25 yards and then compaired to my Nikko, it is way more blured at 8 yards and 40/45 yards! BUt I am not sure if that a good or bad thing in HFT

    Not tried a MTC but like the look and optics I have seen on fellow guys rifles..

    Atb Rob
    "qui audet adipiscitur!"

  5. #5
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    UPDATE - May 2013

    After nearly 18 months of daily use (Professional Pest Control) the side focus developed a minor and irritating fault in that sometimes it would jam and / or not focus.

    I contacted Deben directly (as my local RFD has gone out of business - now a PoundStretcher supermarket !) and their service department was very quick to respond.

    I sent the old scope to them, and got a message to say that it was going to be replaced under warranty.

    Two days later and I have a brand new scope.

    Well done Deben on some excellent Customer Service. You wouldn't have got that buying some cheap tat on Fleebay !


    Regards

    JonP
    Last edited by JonP; 29-05-2013 at 06:24 PM.

  6. #6
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    I'm so glad the OP took the time to write this review I have this scope mounted on my tx200 and I have noticed that you need to be bang on with your eye alignment etc . I was considering getting an eye piece or changing scopes , possibly for an airmax which I have already .
    After speaking to a guy at the club and reading this review I persevered with the varmint and took into account a few of the things said with this post , I can now do inch groupings at 30 yds with jsb exacts which I don't think is too bad at all for a springer thanks guys
    Which rifle next ?

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