Quote Originally Posted by Harrympope View Post
I just talked to a respected "tuner" here in the USA.he told me if you are really averaging 1 inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards with a spring gun you are either lying,not counting flyers ,don't shoot many groups or have a youtube channel.

I thought his response was funny.
Damn i should have video'd it. After an evening of trying to get my groups under 40mm we changed the breech seals on the tx and i shot 10, all touching. 2 pellet holes wide, 4 high. Wind was zero. 52 yds sitting.

Hmanphilly might still have the target up in his garden. If he does he's well come to post a pic. And amongst the shotgun efforts of the evening, there's a tight group which is when i put the gun down at about 11:30 pm.

That's what the gun and me can do.

If you can see this post, there's a pic on there... of a 10 shot http://www.shooting-the-breeze.com/f...4&postcount=16

That's where i'm aiming for consistently. Any more vertical spread than that, i'm not a happy bunny.

The issue with springers is not doing tight groups. For me it's keeping those groups in one place, and if I do see a POI shift, finding it again. I've been able to work out and dial out some of the sources of those shifts, so i'm hoping for better things. It's not all about the group, but the group is the basis.

I shot a lane down from Steve when he did his 45 for the title, and I was 10 off him when I walked off behind him. It wasn't luck, it was very good shooting.

Steve often video's his shoots. If you're on social media you may be able to see them.