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    Any thoughts on the rife? Early FLZ?

    Had this rifle for a while it’s a 25 cal smooth bore, I assume for darts. To me it has to be a FLZ? The stock with the cheek rest and the elaborate trigger guard make me think 191? Maybe the 1920’s? Serial number placement and letter G match one in the Gallery under FLZ, but that stock is plain. No other markings besides serial number.










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    Very nice. Cheek piece and trigger guard aside, reminiscent of Militia variants.

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    Probably FLZ but it's always a guessing game with these unmarked guns!

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    I agree, looks like a Millita, particularly with the side button release.

    Must admit I do like the stock and scrolled trigger guard.

    Incidentally, I'll be commencing a short series on the Millita and its variations in the next issue of Airgun World.

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    I've always had trouble identifying these Millita style guns. Weren't many imported with no markings so buyers didn't know they were German? Like the Lincoln Jeffries Millita imports.
    Look in Hiller's book. So many variants of side button latching break barrels. Apparently, there was a lot of copying going on.

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    It looks very much like the Eisenwerke Gaggenau No. 26, as pictured in their ca. 1902 catalogue:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ccdjg View Post
    It looks very much like the Eisenwerke Gaggenau No. 26, as pictured in their ca. 1902 catalogue:

    I did wonder John, as the stock and scrolled trigger have EG characteristics but the front half looks like it is from a Millita. I wonder if there was a connection between EG and FLZ?

    Steve, are there any markings on the barrel flats? Millitas were sometimes marked in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie & John View Post
    I did wonder John, as the stock and scrolled trigger have EG characteristics but the front half looks like it is from a Millita. I wonder if there was a connection between EG and FLZ?

    Steve, are there any markings on the barrel flats? Millitas were sometimes marked in this area.

    John
    No markings

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