New Break Barrel Springer..Why

[Mach 1.5]

We've seen all the threads about certain companies maybe be doing a new break barrel springer or springer design but the question. Is why? The design as been done to death and as Ken Turner once said we have reached the stage of diminishing returns and that was in the 80s.
Trying to think of something I've never seen on a production springer before but seems it's all be done, barrel latch, match trigger, recoiless action, walnut stock, Super tuned action etc etc..so why do us shooters sometimes think the next new springer is going to be the next best thing!!

[TonyL]

Like you, Paul, I actually do not feel the need for any new break barrels. The current crop of HW break barrels suit me just fine and I feel there's a model in the range to suit all tastes and budgets whilst offering quality and excellent shooting performance.

[Rikard]

I think people are constantly searching for the holy grail Paul, when normally anything new is just a reiteration of an older design differently packaged

[Mach 1.5]

Agree Rikard. Like the perfect watch, neither exist. Mach 1.5

[oldskoolzzz]

I just wish there were more break barrels that were actually quality items.

So many fall short and if all this has been done to death why is it simply not implemented?

There really isn’t enough choice for a top end break barrel IMHO look at what’s available if you are buying new.

[Garry]

I just wish there were more break barrels that were actually quality items.

So many fall short and if all this has been done to death why is it simply not implemented?

There really isn’t enough choice for a top end break barrel IMHO look at what’s available if you are buying new.

If Air Arms did a UK spec break barrel built to TX standards I'd definitely buy one, But there's more chance of getting married to a unicorn!

[look no hands]

Until one of the main stream manufacturers actually puts everything learned over the years into a range of rifles (lightweight, heavyweight, carbine, full length etc), then, we are always going to want something better, Walther nearly succeeded with the LGV/LGU but it was too heavy and not exactly carbine length, if a company was prepared to do a sort of "build a bear" service that can cover every possibility off the shelf (I know that's what Venom did, in theory) but is the market that big for them to survive but like what Tone says, if HW cover most bases and they shoot alright out the box, then why bother.

[oldskoolzzz]

If Air Arms did a UK spec break barrel built to TX standards I'd definitely buy one, But there's more chance of getting married to a unicorn!

That’s the thing Garry, something say from AA would no doubt be a worthy competitor for Weihrauch who let’s face it have sewn up the break barrel market and not all there break barrels are problem free either.

Hence with everything learnt over all those decades even a Weihrauch can fall short in certain areas.

[Mach 1.5]

But if AA did a Break Barrel it wouldn't be any better than some rifles that have been and gone!! Mach 1.5

[Shed tuner]

compression tube guns are easy to convert to reduced cylinder, with all the advantages that brings. Break barrels are a little tougher. So howsabout a factory 23mm or 24mm cylinder break barrel ? HW could do it easy, just slim down the 95. You'd need around 86-90mm stroke. Would be a little lighter too, but as it'll have less recoil, that's all good.

[Shed tuner]

But if AA did a Break Barrel it wouldn't be any better than some rifles that have been and gone!! Mach 1.5

Yes. I'm a big fan of the ProElite, but in practical terms the FAC springer market is already well served by the HW80, or the hatsans at the slightly cheaper and more powerful end.

A lightweight sporting break barrel SR would be interesting though - but see my reply above - a 23mm cylinder gun would be cheaper and easier to produce, and offer 80% of the benefits.

[oldskoolzzz]

I know it’s probably a cost thing but there isn’t anything available you can buy new that has all the goodies and implemented expertise learnt over all this time.

Heck the end user even has to strip and relube let alone debur and sort out the internals on everything new.

It’s shocking really IMHO as the last new break barrel rifle I can remember that put some effort in was the new breed walthers and look what happened to them

[oldskoolzzz]

compression tube guns are easy to convert to reduced cylinder, with all the advantages that brings. Break barrels are a little tougher. So howsabout a factory 23mm or 24mm cylinder break barrel ? HW could do it easy, just slim down the 95. You'd need around 86-90mm stroke. Would be a little lighter too, but as it'll have less recoil, that's all good.

I think many of us could put down on paper what we actually want JB and some have banged on about it for decades

There just doesn’t seem to be a manufacturers mindset to progress and do the Bugatti Veyron break barrel edition

[oldskoolzzz]

But if AA did a Break Barrel it wouldn't be any better than some rifles that have been and gone!! Mach 1.5

But I bet it would be superb as a ‘buying new’ option today though Paul

[Mach 1.5]

Could the sledge system be made to work on a UK limit Break Barrel? Mach 1.5