New Break Barrel Springer..Why

[oldskoolzzz]

I would like to see Weihrauch sort out the 57 loading port with a Stirling HR81 style bolt and a reliable rotary magazine.

I like the sound of that

The 57 really is a marmite winerack I’ve tried 3 of them but just don’t like them enough.

It’s a shame really as they could be such an ace rifle. Often wondered if the pop up port could be replaced with a SLR98 type mag and some sort of probe setup implemented so the pellets are loaded directly in the barrel 🤔

[Phil Russell]

I am enjoying reading the posts on this topic ... thank you everyone. Will the perfect break barrel ever be made for sale to Joe public and sold at a profit to enable the manufacturer to stay in business? I doubt it. Comments on this topic on here have come from (if I may be so bold) enthusiasts of airguns and who can appreciate the niceties of a superbly functioning rifle. Taken as a % of the airgunning population of the UK how many is that? My guess is not a lot. I thus suspect that the vast majority of air rifles in the UK are bought by people who either want to do a bit of plinking or hunting or both but who are not particularly interested in customising, fettling or otherwise improving the functionality of their purchase. As long as it does the job and brings pleasure to the owner it is job done. So the market is competing for this group of shooters and rifles to cater for them must be sold at an attractive price, which in itself then defines how refined the action can be.
I wonder how large the market would be for a fully tricked out break barrel as outlined in the posts here? As has been said several times I suspect it is not large enough to warrant all the development and marketing costs. Far better to develop and sell a basic rifle to the entire market and then allow purchasers to tweek/tune and otherwise modify their new rifle to suit their individual needs. This does not mean that the basic rifle I mentioned does not work well out of the box ... it could well be a very well engineered rifle at the top end of the price range; but it would always offer the chance to be improved to suit the individual enthusiast. And don't forget that what one enthusiast would like is not necessarily what another enthusiast would want.
Money rules...
Cheers, Phil

[les allam]

not for the £200 odd quid I sold mine for

tbh, I'd only want the long stroke version to export and run at 20fp..

Unfortunately they do command a fair amount of money for a nice clean example.
I’m glad I got my one and it’s my favourite for unsupported shooting.
Les..

[les allam]

I am enjoying reading the posts on this topic ... thank you everyone. Will the perfect break barrel ever be made for sale to Joe public and sold at a profit to enable the manufacturer to stay in business? I doubt it. Comments on this topic on here have come from (if I may be so bold) enthusiasts of airguns and who can appreciate the niceties of a superbly functioning rifle. Taken as a % of the airgunning population of the UK how many is that? My guess is not a lot. I thus suspect that the vast majority of air rifles in the UK are bought by people who either want to do a bit of plinking or hunting or both but who are not particularly interested in customising, fettling or otherwise improving the functionality of their purchase. As long as it does the job and brings pleasure to the owner it is job done. So the market is competing for this group of shooters and rifles to cater for them must be sold at an attractive price, which in itself then defines how refined the action can be.
I wonder how large the market would be for a fully tricked out break barrel as outlined in the posts here? As has been said several times I suspect it is not large enough to warrant all the development and marketing costs. Far better to develop and sell a basic rifle to the entire market and then allow purchasers to tweek/tune and otherwise modify their new rifle to suit their individual needs. This does not mean that the basic rifle I mentioned does not work well out of the box ... it could well be a very well engineered rifle at the top end of the price range; but it would always offer the chance to be improved to suit the individual enthusiast. And don't forget that what one enthusiast would like is not necessarily what another enthusiast would want.
Money rules...
Cheers, Phil

I agree with what you’re saying, a small percentage would only be interested in having something special in the way of a super tricked out break barrel rifle. And an even smaller number who would be willing to pay up for the privilege. It still would be great to see something different and of quality being produced.
Les..

[Muskett]

How much and who could do a short run of rifles? 10, 20, 50? Which is a short run.
Then what actual design and attributes?
Walnut?

Match1 kind of quality???

I would like a FWB Sport cocking action, on an Omega style stock, with a Rekord trigger. Made in such a way its not so hold sensitive. Weight no more than 8lbs, and preferably a tad less. And everything known about springs, pistons, and ports thrown in.

Frankly, I wouldn't have a clue where to start. But someone else might

[evert]

....Will the perfect break barrel ever be made for sale to Joe public and sold at a profit to enable the manufacturer to stay in business? I doubt it. Comments on this topic on here have come from (if I may be so bold) enthusiasts of airguns and who can appreciate the niceties of a superbly functioning rifle. ......

The only way I could see "the perfect break barrel" hit the market was if Weihrauch made a short stroke piston for the HW95.
Other manufacturers have made pistons for different markets previously, so it would not be impossible.

[TonyL]

I am enjoying reading the posts on this topic ... thank you everyone. Will the perfect break barrel ever be made for sale to Joe public and sold at a profit to enable the manufacturer to stay in business? I doubt it. Comments on this topic on here have come from (if I may be so bold) enthusiasts of airguns and who can appreciate the niceties of a superbly functioning rifle. Taken as a % of the airgunning population of the UK how many is that? My guess is not a lot. I thus suspect that the vast majority of air rifles in the UK are bought by people who either want to do a bit of plinking or hunting or both but who are not particularly interested in customising, fettling or otherwise improving the functionality of their purchase. As long as it does the job and brings pleasure to the owner it is job done. So the market is competing for this group of shooters and rifles to cater for them must be sold at an attractive price, which in itself then defines how refined the action can be.
I wonder how large the market would be for a fully tricked out break barrel as outlined in the posts here? As has been said several times I suspect it is not large enough to warrant all the development and marketing costs. Far better to develop and sell a basic rifle to the entire market and then allow purchasers to tweek/tune and otherwise modify their new rifle to suit their individual needs. This does not mean that the basic rifle I mentioned does not work well out of the box ... it could well be a very well engineered rifle at the top end of the price range; but it would always offer the chance to be improved to suit the individual enthusiast. And don't forget that what one enthusiast would like is not necessarily what another enthusiast would want.
Money rules...
Cheers, Phil

A most excellent post, sir.

[TonyL]

The only way I could see "the perfect break barrel" hit the market was if Weihrauch made a short stroke piston for the HW95.
Other manufacturers have made pistons for different markets previously, so it would not be impossible.

Yes. Bring it on HW. A standard version as at present plus one short stroke option for the UK and other restricted power markets. It still wouldn't be quite 100% for absolutely every requirement, but certainly a step in the right direction.

[32:1]

The only way I could see "the perfect break barrel" hit the market was if Weihrauch made a short stroke piston for the HW95.
Other manufacturers have made pistons for different markets previously, so it would not be impossible.

And right there is the problem any manufacturer would have, we all just think so differently and that would limit sales especially with a £2k gun, it would have to be perfect for each of us, something truly bespoke and Id not take that route as the 95 reputation isnt what you’d want to start a project with, it would need a fresh bespoke platform even from a new unknown manufacturer perhaps, what about some of these wizard tuning-engineering gurus making todays the run of the mill stuff work much better, all throwing their ideas and knowledge into a project, as let’s face it they are already putting mass produced stuff right for us.

I guess making the cylinders, triggers and barrels the hardest /costly part and most seem to think small bore cylinders deliver better powerplants, so something 22mm and keep the OD small as to keep weight down and make a carbon fibre stock too 😎

As mentioned by Phil above this market would be small, very bespoke and very costly, it’s why we all pick something and then set about getting it right where we want it to be, do we ever actually get a gun bang on and if we do I bet someone else would change something.
So there’s a 1% of real fussy guys trying to make a silk purse from a sows ear, all the while the other 99% take it out the box and use it as it is totally happy with it, I know this as I’ve a few mates who do just that and they all bought/buy real budget stuff as to them it’s just not important enough to chuck money at, ‘it just spits pellets out’ I was told 😂😂

So I guess us 1% will have to keep buying what’s pumped out and try to make it something we want which is probably the easiest route in the end 😂