Gun Values

[Ormicron]

Sat thinking, I know a dangerous process! In the event that the chancellor stages a tax raid on savings in the Autumn statement, how does the forum think it will effect the values of collectibles. Money is worth nothing these days and with the governments drive to tax every transaction, is the money best hidden in assets?


Ormicron

[airgunwerks]

I can tell you that in the States used gun values have dropped, it amazes me that Theoben Rapids sell so cheaply, as most want the RAW version, which is just a side lever version of the same gun with a few tweeks....

[Hsing-ee]

Airguns would be a weird place to park it. Values will likely drop massively when all the people born in the 60s &70s start retiring or going to the great club room in the sky.

[Sir rocco]

When this lot are out and the next lot come in and decide to license each and every airgun in a collection for £20 p.a a collection will lose its value rapidly, i started slimming down my collection just over a year ago and have only kept my working airguns,
Licensing airguns is not 'if', its 'when'

[ashf9999]

When this lot are out and the next lot come in and decide to license each and every airgun in a collection for £20 p.a a collection will lose its value rapidly, i started slimming down my collection just over a year ago and have only kept my working airguns,
Licensing airguns is not 'if', its 'when'

What makes you think the next lot and not this lot?

That’s a generic statement. Politics is a dangerous topic and not to be delved into on this forum…

[45flint]

Best not to mix investments with your hobby? My hobby is for my enjoyment and entertainment in retirement. It is actually very cheap entertainment compared to other things I could be doing. I could care less if a gun I need for my collection is a little over priced. Cheaper than one day in a condo on the beach? My kids will just send my collection off to an auction when I’m gone. Fine with me I had my fun.

[Hsing-ee]

When this lot are out and the next lot come in and decide to license each and every airgun in a collection for £20 p.a a collection will lose its value rapidly, i started slimming down my collection just over a year ago and have only kept my working airguns,
Licensing airguns is not 'if', its 'when'

I’ve had an air weapon license for seven years as I live in Scotland. You can own as many sub 12 fpe rifles and sub 6 fpe pistols as you can safely store. It’s a nuisance renewing every five years but that’s all.

I doubt they will introduce it in England, it’s an expensive process and not really necessary.

[Sir rocco]

What makes you think the next lot and not this lot?

That’s a generic statement. Politics is a dangerous topic and not to be delved into on this forum…

Perhaps they will,
On the otherhand its likely that in the coming years there will be a despicable crime that involves an airgun and, as happened up in Scotland, there will be an outcry and a personality led politician with no concrete policies will huff and puff about legislation, make promises and they may well get elected, it could be either one of two, i've no no particiular party in mind but its likely to be one of the those wishing to attain office that will be making the most hoo-ha, the present legislation relating to airguns will never be lessened and in all reality there is only one direction things can go,
I have been know to be wrong but some kind of future licensing is inevitable, not 'if' but 'when'

[slug-gun]

An air gun licence in itself might not necessarily be totally negative, IF it was sensibly administered. The Scottish version allows the free purchase and sale of airguns does it not, but I assume deters the casual purchase which might even be a good thing?

It seems like a piece of bureaucracy only really, except for the fact that it largely restricts back garden plinking. Now that would be an issue for people that like to use the air rifle for a bit of casual shooting. Who wants to drive to a club every time?

This restriction would deter the sporting use of air guns, which in turn could affect the collecting of them, as the 'pool' of users would be less, and therefore the chances are that fewer people would end up as collectors?

RE airguns as an investment; forget it really, unless you bought the item way below market price in the first place, then it's value is most unlikely to even keep up with inflation.

For example I bought a lovely BSA back in 1989 for £350. I reckon I could probably get double that for it now. However to have kept up with inflation merely, I would in fact need to realise £951 for it! Ergo that purchase has in fact lost me money, not that I care, because I enjoy owning it.

If you want to make money find yourself a good stock broker!

[ashf9999]

An air gun licence in itself might not necessarily be totally negative, IF it was sensibly administered. The Scottish version allows the free purchase and sale of airguns does it not, but I assume deters the casual purchase which might even be a good thing…

Hmmm…except the Scottish AWL requires secure storage…usually a cabinet. I know you have lots of lovely cabinets, but would they be deemed ‘secure storage’ in the eyes of the Home Office? Can’t see England & Wales not requiring that condition for a ticket. I’m sure that aspect would cause you a very very big headache. It would me, and I’ve only got a fraction in terms of numbers…

[look no hands]

I’ve had an air weapon license for seven years as I live in Scotland. You can own as many sub 12 fpe rifles and sub 6 fpe pistols as you can safely store. It’s a nuisance renewing every five years but that’s all.

I doubt they will introduce it in England, it’s an expensive process and not really necessary.

It would be a massive headache for the police, they are already snowed under with work regarding SGC/FAC ownership, the trouble is, the police and government don't know who has what within their possession, so trying to license every gun and it's owner will be a nightmare.

[rapidresponse1]

cant se it happening my self

[Sir rocco]

I'd put money on some form of ownership registration or sales restricting legislation being enacted within 10 years,
From what i see on the t.v 'petroliana' collectables seem to be zooming up in price,
The enamel sign prices, even those with pellet holes and marks are soaring,
The old foot square BP union flag ones that were used to repair holes on allotment sheds etc are £250+!!, the large ones go for considerably more, i reckon that this man cave decor stuff is more secure as an investment than non licensed(atm),airguns, it is nice to have a bit of accruing value in something that you get pleasure out of whilst you own it,
My old matchless 350 was valued, by going on what others were being sold for a few years ago at about £2500, i could buy a running, on the road one today for as low as £1300-1800.

[Ormicron]

Thanks for your thoughts! I agree with the views on licensing. My concern is that the left are so frightened of the population they could do anything. Then again the Tory party used to leave alone any enterprise making money but have come so far to the left they are capable of anything. It was them that enabled the attack on free speech and civil liberties. I also agree airguns are not really a suitable vehicle for investment, but does the group think that in principal we should be putting money into assets to keep the 'little piggies' (Beatles) from our hard earned?