Without setting people against people - 95/99S comparison

[TonyL]

They're both shyte --- buy an Oldschool HW85 or an Oldschool HW50.

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Screw in back blocks rule --- tiles suck.

No, no, no, Mick! Now you know how I really hate to have to disagree with you, but I can't agree on the 85. The old school 50 definitely yes. But not the 85, due to its cutaway piston courtesy of the scope ramp. Those tiles might not be the brightest of ideas, but I'd rather have them rather than having the rear of the piston potentially gnash away at the cylinder.

But, as said, the old school 50......yummy.

[T 20]

No, no, no, Mick! Now you know how I really hate to have to disagree with you, but I can't agree on the 85. The old school 50 definitely yes. But not the 85, due to its cutaway piston courtesy of the scope ramp. Those tiles might not be the brightest of ideas, but I'd rather have them rather than having the rear of the piston potentially gnash away at the cylinder.

But, as said, the old school 50......yummy.

Early 95s had the cutaway 85 piston Tone --- Weihrauch using up old stock ?

None of my 85s appear to have chewed the cylinders up but a bearing would sort it if it did become a problem.
Tiles belong in kitchens, bathrooms and massage parlours (a friend told me ) not holding back blocks in guns.



All the best Mick

[evert]

As stated previously in this thread, the 95 really is the better gun, if it wasnt for the too long stroke.
But regardless of the problematic cocking lever, the 99/50 really has a too short stroke.

If someone made and sold short stroke pistons for the 95, the problem would be solved.
But how long would we want the stroke to be? somewhere between 75 and 80 mm?

[Travis299]

As stated previously in this thread, the 95 really is the better gun, if it wasnt for the too long stroke.
But regardless of the problematic cocking lever, the 99/50 really has a too short stroke.

If someone made and sold short stroke pistons for the 95, the problem would be solved.
But how long would we want the stroke to be? somewhere between 75 and 80 mm?

FYI, HW95L

26 Bore Diameter Piston Seal Size (mm)

85 Piston Stroke (mm)

45.13 Piston Swept Volume (cc)

3x15 Transfer Port x Length (mm)

0.106 Transfer Port Volume (cc)

426:1 SCR

254 Piston Weight in Grams (g)

[TonyL]

As stated previously in this thread, the 95 really is the better gun, if it wasnt for the too long stroke.
But regardless of the problematic cocking lever, the 99/50 really has a too short stroke.

If someone made and sold short stroke pistons for the 95, the problem would be solved.
But how long would we want the stroke to be? somewhere between 75 and 80 mm?

For UK "legal limit power" the 99's stroke seems fine, evert, and many people are pleasantly surprised with its excellent manners. Although many would aim at no more than 10.5 to 10.7 with a .177. Having said that I have shot out of the box .177s doing over 11 very happily and sweetly. When fitting nose extensions to the 95, I think most people go in the region of 8 to 12mm.

[evert]

For UK "legal limit power" the 99's stroke seems fine, evert, and many people are pleasantly surprised with its excellent manners. Although many would aim at no more than 10.5 to 10.7 with a .177. Having said that I have shot out of the box .177s doing over 11 very happily and sweetly. When fitting nose extensions to the 95, I think most people go in the region of 8 to 12mm.

The 50/99 in .177" is still a bit too snappy for me, even at 10,5- I'd like a bit more stroke to soften it up.

Still looking for 26mm OD tube to make a 95 piston ;-)

[T 20]

The 50/99 in .177" is still a bit too snappy for me, even at 10,5- I'd like a bit more stroke to soften it up.

https://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread...51#post8135051

[evert]

https://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread...51#post8135051

Maybe I should get a new piston to modify, would be interesting to see how it performs.
Guess the modern HW pistons are quite hard, and perhaps difficult to machine with HSS tools?
Still, theres that lever.

[TonyL]

Early 95s had the cutaway 85 piston Tone --- Weihrauch using up old stock ?

None of my 85s appear to have chewed the cylinders up but a bearing would sort it if it did become a problem.
Tiles belong in kitchens, bathrooms and massage parlours (a friend told me ) not holding back blocks in guns.

All the best Mick

Wow! I never knew that about the early 95s using the 85 piston, Mick.. Thank you.. And I appreciate checking it over, smoothing off any sharp edges if any were present and some decent moly lube would also work to provide peace of mind without going the full hog with a bearing. My early 95 doesn't have the cutaway piston.

Can't we call them "retaining blocks"?

[prosport.177]

Early 95s had the cutaway 85 piston Tone --- Weihrauch using up old stock ?

None of my 85s appear to have chewed the cylinders up but a bearing would sort it if it did become a problem.
Tiles belong in kitchens, bathrooms and massage parlours (a friend told me ) not holding back blocks in guns.



All the best Mick

Yep you right Mick on the early 95 and the cut out pistons of the 85.. I have had a few early ones with the cut out 85 piston.

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[TonyL]

Yep you right Mick on the early 95 and the cut out pistons of the 85.. I have had a few early ones with the cut out 85 piston.

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Excellent further info, Charlie. I'll have to check out the serial number on mine to see how "early" it actually is. And thanks again, Mick, for pointing this out.