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    Thank you Geezer and Paddy,

    Yes I recall the Jackal's lair and it is a shame that resource is no longer available. I wish I'd downloaded some of the information on it when it was still live.

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    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    Thank you Jon - I've save that for the Jubilee weekend.

    Thank you Harvey too for the SN.

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    Prefer boxed or cased but will consider loose examples too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie & John View Post
    Thank you Geezer and Paddy,

    Yes I recall the Jackal's lair and it is a shame that resource is no longer available. I wish I'd downloaded some of the information on it when it was still live.

    Kind regards,

    John
    Hi John

    Here are some stats for you in my collection.

    Oldest Serial# Jackal is a S.A Parabellum 3971, to 'Newest' Serial# Jackal is a Hi-Power 11388

    If you count Air Arms Oldest Serial# is a Hi-Power 17314, to 'Newest' Serial# is a Hi-Power 34562.

    Now if you you count Wood Stocked Air Arms Oldest Serial# is a Camargue 22759, to 'Newest' Serial# is a SE90 40920.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pad. E View Post
    Hi John

    Here are some stats for you in my collection.

    Oldest Serial# Jackal is a S.A Parabellum 3971, to 'Newest' Serial# Jackal is a Hi-Power 11388

    If you count Air Arms Oldest Serial# is a Hi-Power 17314, to 'Newest' Serial# is a Hi-Power 34562.

    Now if you you count Wood Stocked Air Arms Oldest Serial# is a Camargue 22759, to 'Newest' Serial# is a SE90 40920.

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    Paddy
    Interesting. Assuming SA numbers started at 0000, 100, or 1000 in 1977, that s/ns were sequential, and bearing in mind that the SE90 was only briefly produced 1989-91, that suggests around 40,000 rifles over 23ish years, so an average annual production rate of around 2,000 - though I imagine a fair bit more in the 70s through mid-80s, and tailing off quickly after new fixed-barrel rifles like the HW77 - and eventually the TX - appeared on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezer View Post
    Interesting. Assuming SA numbers started at 0000, 100, or 1000 in 1977, that s/ns were sequential, and bearing in mind that the SE90 was only briefly produced 1989-91, that suggests around 40,000 rifles over 23ish years, so an average annual production rate of around 2,000 - though I imagine a fair bit more in the 70s through mid-80s, and tailing off quickly after new fixed-barrel rifles like the HW77 - and eventually the TX - appeared on the market.
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    Some math's you done there

    Also to take into consideration, is that some very early Air Arms models were put together with Sussex Armoury Parts. So serial # could be from mixed parts, and proper sequential order would be hard to ascertain in the transition period.

    Though I Reckon I'm thinking too much into it.

    What is interesting though is that I must have a very early Camargue & a rather late Hi-Power in my collection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pad. E View Post
    Hi

    Some math's you done there

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    Production numbers do interest me. Not just in assessing rarity, but some guns that were all over the mags and the ads for years appear to have been made/sold in rather small numbers.

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    These might be of interest, I still have most of them:


    Sussex Armoury Jackal parabelum 2852 1977

    Sussex Armoury Jackal 12969 1981

    Sussex Armoury Jackal AK47 13719 1982

    Air Arms supra (sussex armoury trigger/action) 15488 1982

    Air arms firepower (sussex armoury trigger/action) 17931 1984

    Air Arms combat (improved air arms trigger/action) 20404 1984

    Air Arms EX88 38780 1988

    Air Arms Khamsin 44056 1990


    I have a list of 40 rifles serial numbers and their dates if anyone wants them; actions, trigger groups, pistons, barrels, plastic stocks all had subtle changes over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gen View Post
    These might be of interest, I still have most of them:


    Sussex Armoury Jackal parabelum 2852 1977

    Sussex Armoury Jackal 12969 1981

    Sussex Armoury Jackal AK47 13719 1982

    Air Arms supra (sussex armoury trigger/action) 15488 1982

    Air arms firepower (sussex armoury trigger/action) 17931 1984

    Air Arms combat (improved air arms trigger/action) 20404 1984

    Air Arms EX88 38780 1988

    Air Arms Khamsin 44056 1990


    I have a list of 40 rifles serial numbers and their dates if anyone wants them; actions, trigger groups, pistons, barrels, plastic stocks all had subtle changes over the years.
    Thank you Mr Gen,

    That is just what I was after.

    Can I ask - how have you dated the 1977 and 1981 models at the top of your list? Did you buy them new at the time or do they have some other provenance?

    Kind regards,

    John
    Currently looking for Baikal Makarov pistols with the following prefixes to the serial number: 98, T01, T09, T21, T22
    Prefer boxed or cased but will consider loose examples too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gen View Post
    These might be of interest, I still have most of them:

    Sussex Armoury Jackal parabelum 2852 1977

    Sussex Armoury Jackal 12969 1981

    Sussex Armoury Jackal AK47 13719 1982

    Air Arms supra (sussex armoury trigger/action) 15488 1982

    Air arms firepower (sussex armoury trigger/action) 17931 1984

    Air Arms combat (improved air arms trigger/action) 20404 1984

    Air Arms EX88 38780 1988

    Air Arms Khamsin 44056 1990


    I have a list of 40 rifles serial numbers and their dates if anyone wants them; actions, trigger groups, pistons, barrels, plastic stocks all had subtle changes over the years.
    PM sent

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    Hi read this thread earlier but just got home
    The s/n on my S/A parabellum is 00177 although
    not high could anybody tell me roughly when this was made
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    Hi,

    I have a mint woodstock / woodsman (can never tell which it is) with serial number 12337 which I bought second hand. From what I could tell at the time researching it was 1979/1980-ish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil 66 View Post
    Hi read this thread earlier but just got home
    The s/n on my S/A parabellum is 00177 although
    not high could anybody tell me roughly when this was made
    I would guess 1976/77 - certainly first year of production.

    Kind regards,

    John
    Currently looking for Baikal Makarov pistols with the following prefixes to the serial number: 98, T01, T09, T21, T22
    Prefer boxed or cased but will consider loose examples too.

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    John

    I've got some of the late 70's early 80's Sussex Armoury catalogues, brochures and price lists, if you're interested in photographing them at the next Kempton Arms Fair?

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