What's the NCAGB?Originally Posted by troddenmasses
Jim
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
What's the NCAGB?
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
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Sorry - my fault, I thought i'd referenced it in my first post. The 'National Cannon association of Great Britain'. Simply a group of people who wanted to get together to fire miniature cannons, and found that people were standing in the way - saying that as there was no association or club to do this at, we didn't have 'good reason' to own the firearms, and therefore weren't allowed. So we formed an organisation to promote target shooting with small cannons - easy. We have a basic web page - http://www.ncagb.com which should be brought up to date over the next few weeks.
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
Best wishes for the new venture!You need to get together with the MLAGB - Muzzle Loaders Association of Great Britain - and with the Sealed Knot Society, and other English Civil War groups.
The biggest problem with shooting miniature cannon - other than finding a safe and suitable place to do so - has been the bad -occasionally horrific - publicity generated by the garage gunsmith types, who operate on the theory that any metal pipe is suitable for a cannon barrel.
The accompanying explosions, with sometimes fatal or maiming injuries, don't help our sport!
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
now this is a miniature cannon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/3122848...7612720070636/
Barrel is from a pre-war Webley .177 pistol, breech is screw fitted to barrel and is machined from 4140 alloy steel, with a n.a.s spec steel breech plug.
Made about 28 years ago, when It accounted for several Britain's lead soldiers in a spectacular fashion....
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
Section 2 or Section 1?now this is a miniature cannon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/3122848...7612720070636/
Barrel is from a pre-war Webley .177 pistol, breech is screw fitted to barrel and is machined from 4140 alloy steel, with a n.a.s spec steel breech plug.
Made about 28 years ago, when It accounted for several Britain's lead soldiers in a spectacular fashion....
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
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yes its on section 2 so i can shoot anywhere with permission max load is 2lb shot and 1/4lb black i have made a black powder Coehorn Mortar this has a bore of 57mm and is cast iron i have the patten and can get them cast in gun metal as well i have not drilled the touch hole as this will be on FAC i also have the patten for my cannon and can get some cast if anyone is interested but they are not cheap as the barrel weigh's 180lb and the price of brass is up at the mo
Richard WRCC
(west riding cannon club)
http://s231.photobucket.com/albums/e...nluvy/cannons/
Last edited by rickosf; 03-04-2010 at 08:05 PM.
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Sounds fun, what's the legal?
are they on FAC if so what section?
how hard is it to get the right ticket?
Thanks Ora
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Yes, you are absolutely correct - they are great fun. Legally (in the UK, of course) they are the same as any other muzzle loading firearm. If the bore is under 2", and it is over 24" long, then it can go onto a section 2 - shotgun certificate. That makes things really easy, and you can shoot them wherever you have permission (within the normal shotgun legalitites).
If you want something over 2" bore (like the fantastic coke can idea), or shorted than 24" (like all of my stuff) then it has to go onto a section 1 (firearm certificate) with all of the normal messing around that requires. First of all you need a range that will accept whatever you want to fire, then you need to prove 'good reason' and then you need to write off to your firearms dept asking for a variation for a M/L cannon. The reason for setting up the NCAGB (www.ncagb.com) was to help with those things. First of all, we have a couple of ranges that are happy (and insured) to accept miniature cannons. Secondly, by organising proper target shooting comps we can demonstrate 'good reason'. Thirdly, by being a 'proper' organisation, we can assist with firearms departments when they decide to make up the law to suit themselves, and show that other counties have accepted them. Gloucestershire is well known for being difficult and a bit 'stuck in the mud' with anything new, but after a bit of fighting and letter writing, they have accepted cannons onto FAC's.
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
I tip my hat to the NCAGB!You guys represent exactly what British shooters need: someone taking the initiative for shooters, pushing the frontiers forward!
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
The WRCC needs to affiliate with the NCAGB.
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
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Back in the 80s and 90s I used to shoot a lot of full bore, and got invovled with some army and navy shooting competitions. We shot against a bunch of Americans who talked about shooting cannon back home - used coke cans filled with concrete as the projectile and shoot at long range targets in the desert. I've always wanted to give that a go.... Not sure Surrey Constabulary would approve though.
McT
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Why on earth not? Target shooting is target shooting. If a coke can is 2.5" diameter and 4.8" tall, filled with concrete would work out at about 3kg. If you shot that at one of the ranges we have access to (no calibre limits, only a 7000 joule limit), you would be limited to 880ft/sec - about the normal velocity of a .44 revolver ball.
All you would have to do is apply for a slot for a 2.5" calibre 'muzzle loading cannon' for target shooting. Unfortunately, being over 2" diameter, you won't be able to put it onto a shotgun certificate. I would be tempted not to mention the nature of your projectile - that bit is up to you. Sounds fun, though.
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
You'd need to have a great backdrop, though.
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
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