Your perfect sporting breakbarrel?

[SRV1]

Mercury S - It may upset the HW cult and purists, yes I have HW's too, but hell, the Mercury looks the business and has an alpha male trigger.

All the best to all

[Mr. Gen]

Air Arms pro elite

[Zomboid]

For nostalgias sake ... BSA 635 Magnum.

[look no hands]

At this moment on this day 2020 AD.

My Mercury S.

Mercury S - It may upset the HW cult and purists, yes I have HW's too, but hell, the Mercury looks the business and has an alpha male trigger.

All the best to all

For nostalgias sake ... BSA 635 Magnum.

I love you guys

Pete

[rapidresponse1]

hw tuned 95k in 22

[TonyL]

I like so many aspects of many break barrels, making it hard to choose.

Keeping it simple (and pretty standard) I'd have to say the HW95, mildly fettled.

hw tuned 95k in 22

Yep, the more I think, the more I'm with the lovely 95, as it exhibits so many desirable attributes.

For hunting, standard stock. For more target work, maybe fit the 98 stock?

But then I do love manual barrel latches. I haven't studied the LGV's latch close up, but would guess it's pretty much superb. 25mm bore and synthetic bearings attract; the weight & size (with hunting in mind) and the trigger less so.

So......how about that favourite, old classic, the HW35? The later, synthetic sealed versions make power easier. Barrel lock up, barrel quality, sturdy construction, accuracy and trigger all tick the boxes. But, ideally, maybe a custom stock or adjustable comb for scope use.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this gracefully ageing and respected classic were to feature highly?

[lonewolf]

The FWB 127 Sport MK1 in .22 flavour

[evert]

So......how about that favourite, old classic, the HW35? The later, synthetic sealed versions make power easier. Barrel lock up, barrel quality, sturdy construction, accuracy and trigger all tick the boxes. But, ideally, maybe a custom stock or adjustable comb for scope use.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this gracefully ageing and respected classic were to feature highly?

Mick's HW35 LGV is interesting, as it solves the 30mm inefficiency issue.
But the 35's lockup isn't good enough.

[look no hands]

Oh and the same for me, a Mercury S action with a 10 inch barrel, in a Challenger stock.

Oh hang on, I already have one of those, aren't I lucky

Pete

[TonyL]

As if by luck, Tom Gaylord, on his pyramydairblog, has today started a series on designing a break barrel springer from scratch.

Lots of topics and potential design features mentioned, including narrow bore / long stroke, barrel, breech security and trigger etc. Just the sorts of things we often talk about on here.

Be interesting to keep an eye on it and see how it progresses.

Can anyone do a link to it, please, as I'm hopeless at stuff like that?

Some of his thinking may not quite align with some of our esteemed home tuners, though.

Hmmm.....if we HAD to re-engineer a rifle, the adaptable, previously mentioned HW95 would still make a fantastic base platform and we've had reduced bore ones already. So nothing new in the following, but would be an easy conversion and cover many of Mr Gaylord's design wants - 23mm bore, buttoned piston and custom fitted guides on design specific spring. Rekord trigger still outstanding to this day, barrel quality and breech lock up no issues either.

[cooper_dan]

As if by luck, Tom Gaylord, on his pyramydairblog, has today started a series on designing a break barrel springer from scratch.

Lots of topics and potential design features mentioned, including narrow bore / long stroke, barrel, breech security and trigger etc. Just the sorts of things we often talk about on here.

Be interesting to keep an eye on it and see how it progresses.

Can anyone do a link to it, please, as I'm hopeless at stuff like that?

Some of his thinking may not quite align with some of our esteemed home tuners, though.

Hmmm.....if we HAD to re-engineer a rifle, the adaptable, previously mentioned HW95 would still make a fantastic base platform and we've had reduced bore ones already. So nothing new in the following, but would be an easy conversion and cover many of Mr Gaylord's design wants - 23mm bore, buttoned piston and custom fitted guides on design specific spring. Rekord trigger still outstanding to this day, barrel quality and breech lock up no issues either.

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.

I assume the rest of that blog post will just be continuing to praise Sig.

[evert]

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.

I assume the rest of that blog post will just be continuing to praise Sig.

Yes, Gaylord often sells a product.

[TonyL]

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.
.

Can't disagree with any of that.

However, I think it will still be an interesting series to follow. Many of his ideas won't correlate exactly with the (in my opinion) superior UK thinking, even that of our "amateur shed tuners" -(amateur obviously in the literal sense, as in on a non-professional basis), but I'll certainly be interesting in seeing how far this goes.

And it ain't going to be a GTS.

[BTDT]

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.

I assume the rest of that blog post will just be continuing to praise Sig.

I stopped reading years ago when he claimed the HW35 was so named because it has a 35mm piston stroke, Dan.

If you scroll down to 'Weihrauch model numbers', you can read it for yourself.

[evert]

Hmmm.....if we HAD to re-engineer a rifle, the adaptable, previously mentioned HW95 would still make a fantastic base platform and we've had reduced bore ones already. So nothing new in the following, but would be an easy conversion and cover many of Mr Gaylord's design wants - 23mm bore, buttoned piston and custom fitted guides on design specific spring. Rekord trigger still outstanding to this day, barrel quality and breech lock up no issues either.

I have dreamt up a lot of "optimal springers", and gathered a lot of spares/project air rifle actions that are possible candidates for the project:
Bam B-26, action with a cut off barrel
CZ 631, action with a rusted barrel
Norica Jet, action with a cut off barrel
Cometa 300, complete rifle with a broken stock
A few supersport actions and barrels
Some B-3 pistons and other parts

The ideas have been many:
-a supersport with rotating 25mm piston
-B-26 with longer latch rod and new trigger blade, plus a good barrel
-B-26 with a shortened cylinder
-CZ 631 with a new rear block with rekord trigger (inspired by someones picture of the alleged AA breakbarrel prototype)
-Cometa 300 action with a new piston and rekord trigger.

But I havent gotten around to doing any of these projects, modfications like these require more work than people realize.