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It is though, isn't it? Why do we put up with such rubbish? Maybe we should go for a certificate like the old shotgun license. I would vote for registering and a 40ft/lb limit if I didn't think it would be one step towards getting rid of the airgun forever. Which it would be. Why don't they limit all cars and bikes to 50 horse-power? it would save thousands of lives.
Golly things get on my t1ts this time of night.
Last edited by Hsing-ee; 07-11-2004 at 12:21 AM.
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Apparently it was introduced to protect the local airgun industry by preventing the influx of higher powered German guns that could do well above the 10 ft/lbs the then British rifles were doing. Do a search, it's been discussed before.
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
This PM I was using a cordless drill. It is an evil powerful piece of equipment and even looks like a pistol, I am sure it is Section 5. Yet any 14 year old can buy one off . Ban everything then at last we will be Safe. I mean my parents live three nautical miles from the H-bomb factory at Aldermaston, but then again that is under the control of the Government so I can sleep safe in the knowledge that nothing will go wrong with a few hundred megatons of explosive on their doorstep.
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This PM I was using a cordless drill. It is an evil powerful piece of equipment and even looks like a pistol, I am sure it is Section 5. Yet any 14 year old can buy one off . Ban everything then at last we will be Safe. I mean my parents live three nautical miles from the H-bomb factory at Aldermaston, but then again that is under the control of the Government so I can sleep safe in the knowledge that nothing will go wrong with a few hundred megatons of explosive on their doorstep.
I'm interested too done a search up to a 1000 got no info,does someone know the answer without the searching,it doesn't seem like it was done this week
Stop worrying about what you haven't got mate, and make the most of what you have got. There's a lot of hunting success and good fun to be got from sub twelve foot pound rifles.
FAC will only give you an extra ten yards or so of effective range and the legal limit gives you hassle free official anonymity and the freedom to own as many off ticket guns as you want.
Remember also that in the event of a Government general ban on airguns, FAC ticket holders will be the first to lose their guns.
I seem to remember the 12 ftpd limit came in when the English (BSA/Webley) springers were doing @9 or 10 FP. The yanks were banging out the old pump ups for peanuts which could easily outperform (powerwise) the British guns.(Late 60's/70's)
So.......along comes a 12 FP limit.
From a hunting with airguns point of view I think it is a reasonable limit. One can take all airgun quarry out to 40/50 yards with a 12 FP gun......If you can hit the kill zone. A FAC gun will only give you an extra 10 or so yards as has been stated.
The thing that I find stupid.......In the old days (when the limit was introduced) there were few if any springers that could do 12FP. Now, most decent off the shelf springers will do 13 to 15 FP. They are even running at their best at this velocity. We are literally 'crippling' them to make them run under 12FP. I know there are more exceptions now.....HW80, AA PS etc that will do 20FP+ but it seems madness that an off the shelf springer doing 12.5FP can get you 5 years in the clink. I still don't believe any police force would enforce such madness unless you were shooting old ladies coming out of the bingo hall but technically it's a possibility.
Trouble is......if you made the limit 15FP. People would try and push the guns to 14.999999999FP.......because they CAN.
Just a few thoughts.
BZ
Last edited by bozzerman; 07-11-2004 at 09:40 AM.
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FAC airguns give you a lot more than 10 yards, as in addition to the trajectory advantages, pellets are less affected by wind, and the kill zone becomes much larger.
Whilst I too have had plenty of sucess with 12 FP airguns, I honestly believe they are marginal for hunting - akin to a .22 LR for fox, for example, where shot placement within 1" is the only way to guarantee a clean kill...
Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.
Fair play Jon...
I've never used FAC so I can't really comment....just wonder how many folk can hit the 'kill' at 60+ yards even with a flatter FAC. Maybe the 'kill' area is bigger? Do you still have to hit them in the brain with 24FP(ME) or will a body shot do? A more reasonable range for 12FP hunting is probably max 35 yards for most people anyway. So how about typically 35 yards 12FP and typically quite a bit further with FAC.
We hear all the talk of only hunting when you can put all your pellets inside a 1 inch circle at the range you are going to hunt (12FP). Take a look at the HFT results. Max distance 45 yards with 40mm kill zone......25mm kill out to 35yards. So why don't all the 'hunters' clear every course when you can spend time finding the right position and those metal targets don't move or run off?
Boz
Last edited by bozzerman; 07-11-2004 at 10:56 AM.
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I have to agree with Jon on this also.
Having seen a 33 ft/lb Rapid shoot a 12 shot mag of AA field .22 into a thumbnail sized group at a measured 70 yards (inside a warehouse from a bench); It makes me wonder where this talk of "only gains you an extra 10 or so yards" comes from
Paul.
Just exactly how do you carry the warehouse and the bench around with you when hunting so you can take those 70 yarders.
....and what were the groups with the same gun out in the wind when shooting freehand?
Sorry......I know nowt about hunting/FAC so I'll shut up.
I just posted 'cause I thought the 12fp was introduced because the British guns did @ 10fp and the yankee pump ups/imported guns were threatening the industry.
Boz
Captain Mainwaring
I'm in agreement about the 12ftlbs for hunting too. Okay for those who know when and when not to shoot. (And I make no claims about my own skills in this respect). But I see far too many runners - not all mine BTW. My take is that 12ft/lbs (especially in .177 flavour) leaves very little margin for error.
I've not looked at one but I expect the rabbit brain is about the size of a pea? It must be possible to put a 177 through the head of a rabbit (and out the other side) missing the CPU but the lack of 'shock' to the brain allows the rabbit to run (before dying). A .22 is going to suffer less with this, and may even bounce around inside the skull, doing 'the job' more effectively.
One day I'll know how much more effective 24-30ft/lbs rifle is with a .22 pellet at 45-55 yards.
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To be good, one must do good.
I hunt rabbits with a legal limit girly calibre HW90, and at 40 yards the Superdomes that I use exit the head.
I would hardly call that marginal.
I have also had 50 yard kills with same rifle.
Captain Mainwaring
As I pointed out, this situation is entirely feasible. But a little wind, and it could so easily mean the difference between instant lights out, and something completely undesirable. The point is that being an expert shot, and 'reading' the weather correctly is a must, as the 12ft/lbs leaves no margin for error. This error includes slight wind, misjudging the distance to quarry, and anything else thought would have the pellet 10mm away from where it should be. The sort of problem that a little more power would help avoid.
This isn't supposed to be a solution for poor marksmanship BTW.
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To be good, one must do good.
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
well I was more worrying about getting five years for a rifle inadvertently doing 13 ft/lbs ...
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