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[Snakehips]

I applaud you on your balanced view. However it is true that most chrime is by illegal shooters, and that any loss of freedoms for the upright and honest citizen should be mourned. We will never get our guns back and we have done nothing to deserve such treatment by the so called keepers of democracy, justice and rule of law. atb., Paul

Amen - its all about the headlines and the kneejerks reactions.

[tugg]

Lmao what is it with the fake limp

coz their jeans are to far down their arse

[manxteddy]

The recent business in the USA is going to have yet another negitive effect on legal gun use here.
The media need to realise that the USA is not Britain we don't go around armed do we !! American history is not our history.
Well we didn't have gun crime as such till all these 'visitors arrived'.
What happened to your traditional armed robbery with a sawn off shotgun
I don't remember calls for banning shotguns then .
Now we have armed police which is not what you want to see when going shopping in Chester or any other civilised city.
Trouble is they wont go away as life is too good here with standards fought for politically by British People over the years since the Norman Yoke was plonked on our shoulders

Just as well I won't be around in 50 years time but my heart goes out to our children, what sort of society will they have.
It's not what our soldiers and citizens fought and died for in the 20th century is it !

Heavens I'm getting grumpy

[TonyL]

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(19/7/12) Home Office Figures

THE CRIMINAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Deaths and injuries caused by the illegal use of guns (excluding airguns.)
1969 - - - - 173
1988 - - - - 410
2008/9 - - - 1,764
2010/11- - - 1,949

THE LEGAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Certificates for the legal use of guns
1988 - - - - 1,037,400
2008/9 - - - - 713,674
2010/12- - - - 705,516

CRIMES INVOLVING THE USE OF HANDGUNS
1988 - - - - 1,484
1998/9 - - - 2,687
2008/9 - - - 4,275
2010/11- - - 3,105

SO..... since 1988, there are now five times as many deaths and injuries from armed crime whilst legal firearm ownership has been reduced by 1/3rd.

Pistols have been banned from legal use for most practical purposes, (reduced by around 98%) whilst the criminal use of pistols has increased considerably since the "ban."
NOW tell the victims that banning or licensing saves lives.....

Figures from Home Office publications from 1969 to 2012, the most recent being-
"Homicides, Firearm Offences and Intimate Violence 2010/11:Supplementary Volume 2 to Crime in England and Wales 2010/11." Sarah Osborne, Ivy Lau and Andrew Britton, Edited by Kevin Smith. ISBN 978 1 84987 623 0.

and
"Firearm Certificates in England and Wales 2010/11" Jabeen Paracha. 22/3/2012, ISBN 978 1 84987 687 2.

Looks like they got it right then, doesn't it?

Encroaching on legitimate, responsible shooters' rights, destroying their passion/hobby/livelihood, and obviously gun crime is now reduced to zero.

Just goes to show, do what you want with the law, it won't affect the crims. All those laws did was to demonise law abiding, safe shooters.

I'm off now, before I REALLY get ranting.

[hobojock]

as usual its always the innocent people just looking to enjoy firearms in a safe and legal way that are kicked to the ground and made to feel guilty about a fantastic hobby that is carried out safely !!!!!!!!!!

THESE ARE FROM OUR CLUB WEBSITE



OF INTEREST TO EVERYONE IN THE UK
(19/7/12) Home Office Figures

THE CRIMINAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Deaths and injuries caused by the illegal use of guns (excluding airguns.)
1969 - - - - 173
1988 - - - - 410
2008/9 - - - 1,764
2010/11- - - 1,949

THE LEGAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Certificates for the legal use of guns
1988 - - - - 1,037,400
2008/9 - - - - 713,674
2010/12- - - - 705,516

CRIMES INVOLVING THE USE OF HANDGUNS
1988 - - - - 1,484
1998/9 - - - 2,687
2008/9 - - - 4,275
2010/11- - - 3,105

SO..... since 1988, there are now five times as many deaths and injuries from armed crime whilst legal firearm ownership has been reduced by 1/3rd.

Pistols have been banned from legal use for most practical purposes, (reduced by around 98%) whilst the criminal use of pistols has increased considerably since the "ban."
NOW tell the victims that banning or licensing saves lives.....

Figures from Home Office publications from 1969 to 2012, the most recent being-
"Homicides, Firearm Offences and Intimate Violence 2010/11:Supplementary Volume 2 to Crime in England and Wales 2010/11." Sarah Osborne, Ivy Lau and Andrew Britton, Edited by Kevin Smith. ISBN 978 1 84987 623 0.

and
"Firearm Certificates in England and Wales 2010/11" Jabeen Paracha. 22/3/2012, ISBN 978 1 84987 687 2.

[Promettwo]

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SO..... since 1988, there are now five times as many deaths and injuries from armed crime whilst legal firearm ownership has been reduced by 1/3rd.

Pistols have been banned from legal use for most practical purposes, (reduced by around 98%) whilst the criminal use of pistols has increased considerably since the "ban."
NOW tell the victims that banning or licensing saves lives.....

Figures from Home Office publications from 1969 to 2012, the most recent being-
"Homicides, Firearm Offences and Intimate Violence 2010/11:Supplementary Volume 2 to Crime in England and Wales 2010/11." Sarah Osborne, Ivy Lau and Andrew Britton, Edited by Kevin Smith. ISBN 978 1 84987 623 0.

and
"Firearm Certificates in England and Wales 2010/11" Jabeen Paracha. 22/3/2012, ISBN 978 1 84987 687 2.

And now we are having (again) the same arguement in the USA (again). I can see both sides of the arguement but where do you go when there is also an armed civilian vigilante (security guard) who walks away from a death whilst patrolling a housing estate. Supposedly the man would not do as he was told. Do we really want to go down that road??.

[Thesauce]

THESE ARE FROM OUR CLUB WEBSITE



OF INTEREST TO EVERYONE IN THE UK
(19/7/12) Home Office Figures

THE CRIMINAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Deaths and injuries caused by the illegal use of guns (excluding airguns.)
1969 - - - - 173
1988 - - - - 410
2008/9 - - - 1,764
2010/11- - - 1,949

THE LEGAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Certificates for the legal use of guns
1988 - - - - 1,037,400
2008/9 - - - - 713,674
2010/12- - - - 705,516

CRIMES INVOLVING THE USE OF HANDGUNS
1988 - - - - 1,484
1998/9 - - - 2,687
2008/9 - - - 4,275
2010/11- - - 3,105

SO..... since 1988, there are now five times as many deaths and injuries from armed crime whilst legal firearm ownership has been reduced by 1/3rd.

Pistols have been banned from legal use for most practical purposes, (reduced by around 98%) whilst the criminal use of pistols has increased considerably since the "ban."
NOW tell the victims that banning or licensing saves lives.....

Figures from Home Office publications from 1969 to 2012, the most recent being-
"Homicides, Firearm Offences and Intimate Violence 2010/11:Supplementary Volume 2 to Crime in England and Wales 2010/11." Sarah Osborne, Ivy Lau and Andrew Britton, Edited by Kevin Smith. ISBN 978 1 84987 623 0.

and
"Firearm Certificates in England and Wales 2010/11" Jabeen Paracha. 22/3/2012, ISBN 978 1 84987 687 2.

I wonder if the anti gun lobbyists use similar information regarding the rise in number of restaurants opening, meaning more chefs are required, in conjunction with the amount of stabbings increasing over the past 10 years.

Nick