Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by bozzerman
....well I'm taking rabbits with my meteor .22 at 65 yards.....so like I said.....@ another 10 yards.
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baz
....well I'm taking rabbits with my meteor .22 at 65 yards.....so like I said.....@ another 10 yards."Extra 10yds"
As stated FAC air rifles will open up a new world for you as far as range goes, although I like .177 theres not really that much point as you can more or less choose your velocity in .22, for reliable pellet performance you need to be comforatably below the speed of sound though, my fav is about 950fps with JSBs or around 30ftlb, accurate and humane for 70+ yds if your shooting is up to it and wind permitting, otherwise as stillair says get a rimfire too
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Ok Ok .... so it's a bit more than 10 yards.....I'll shut up now.
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....well I'm taking rabbits with my meteor .22 at 65 yards.....so like I said.....@ another 10 yards.
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baz
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Actually you can easily roll rabbits at 65 yards with a Meteor, all you have to do is get the fat-free yards from B&Q. These have only got 15cm to the foot so there is plenty of power to take them with headshots.....well I'm taking rabbits with my meteor .22 at 65 yards.....so like I said.....@ another 10 yards.
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The other way is to use a Gloucester Meteor, although it was not designed for ground attack, the 20mm cannons make short work of bunnies.
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very interesting thread being unfortunatly old enough to remember those halcyon days when a shot gun certificate was purchased from the post office and there was no limit on power to air rifles .there were some examples that would now be in the f.a.c. territory i had a very nice original underlever which had tremendous power but with the pellets and scopes then available to the general public the pwer couldnt be applied accuratly. obviously this is now not the case and i would very muck like to try an f.a.c. pcp just to see if these distances are realy acheivable and still allow consistant clean kills. i have to say my feeling is that much over 40 metres and no matter how good the gun and scope the kill percentage would start to drop due to the need to be so accurate as obviously the longer the range the more the poi changes due to very small movement from the muzzle.
engineer
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
i have to say my feeling is that much over 40 metres and no matter how good the gun and scope the kill percentage would start to drop due to the need to be so accurate as obviously the longer the range the more the poi changes due to very small movement from the muzzle.
engineer
hmm..... and also the FAC air rifle cannot access the greater shock power of expanding bullets like with the .22 rimfire.
i would be in favour of regestering my air rifles for increase power and paying a small fee,,,would separate us from the mindless morons out there,,,,
Captain Mainwaring
I'm in agreement about the 12ftlbs for hunting too. Okay for those who know when and when not to shoot. (And I make no claims about my own skills in this respect). But I see far too many runners - not all mine BTW. My take is that 12ft/lbs (especially in .177 flavour) leaves very little margin for error.
I've not looked at one but I expect the rabbit brain is about the size of a pea? It must be possible to put a 177 through the head of a rabbit (and out the other side) missing the CPU but the lack of 'shock' to the brain allows the rabbit to run (before dying). A .22 is going to suffer less with this, and may even bounce around inside the skull, doing 'the job' more effectively.
One day I'll know how much more effective 24-30ft/lbs rifle is with a .22 pellet at 45-55 yards.
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I agree the 12 fpe limit is a rather ridiculous power limit, however, as it stands it's the law and if we want more then we have to go FAC.
I was naughty once
I wouldn't attempt such a distance with 12 fpe in any calibre.
With the prices of modern day rifles IMO the rules should be changed to allow higher powers, after all not many loonies can afford the best air rifles only the cheap Chinese chuck away type seem to be their limit and most of those only do around 9 fpe.
Just my opinion
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While I was reading this thread a similar idea came to mind ......
How about we lobby to lower the non FAC limit? then we push for an Airgun FAC - just for air rifles between say 10+ ft/lbs and sub 24 ft/lbs - easy to get with none of the bureacracy of a full FAC, which could be left for the true firearms and air rifles over 24 ft/lbs.
It could be taken even further, with 'grades' of Airgun FACs for different power levels, along the lines of the HGV licenses. Registered airgun clubs could make a few bob by selling training and 'driving' exams.
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i am somewhat astonished at the comments from nev particularly as he is organiser of ukhft events, not only does he admit in print to breaking the law thus leaving himself wide open but his comment on his experiment beggar belief, 15ft lbs is such a small increase as to make it hardly worth the trouble velocity at 80 yards is only 40 or so ft per sec different and energy retained is about 1.2 ft lb extra if you take 40 yards as a reasonable distance for 12 ftlb 80 seems extreme with just 15 ft lb just my humble opinion you understand,
engineer
I hunt rabbits with a legal limit girly calibre HW90, and at 40 yards the Superdomes that I use exit the head.
I would hardly call that marginal.
I have also had 50 yard kills with same rifle.
Captain Mainwaring
As I pointed out, this situation is entirely feasible. But a little wind, and it could so easily mean the difference between instant lights out, and something completely undesirable. The point is that being an expert shot, and 'reading' the weather correctly is a must, as the 12ft/lbs leaves no margin for error. This error includes slight wind, misjudging the distance to quarry, and anything else thought would have the pellet 10mm away from where it should be. The sort of problem that a little more power would help avoid.
This isn't supposed to be a solution for poor marksmanship BTW.
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If we had firearms laws like those of the USA and the choice of weapons available to them. If you had somewhere safe to use them like your own ranch or other vast open space….. how many people would bother with puny plink plink 12 ft lb air rifles?
They would probably become garden guns, training rifles for youngsters or specialized target rifles. Given the free choice (and a safe back stop) what would you rather shoot, .22 air rifle or a nice centre fire chambered in something like .308 or larger? Given the fact that so many people are trying to push their 12 ftlb rifles up to the maximum they are legally allowed, I think we know the answer….. I certainly get a kick out of shooting my .303 & .308’s
One benefit of the 12 ft lb limit here in the UK is that it helps keep shooting sports open to a far larger proportion of the population by allowing use of rifles that are deemed to be non-lethal than if all guns/rifles became subject to a certification system.
The reason the UK produces such good air-rifles is that we have learnt to make the most of what we can have.
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The problem is, everyone wants more than he can have. If we would have your limits in Germany it would be like heaven on earth. Our limit is 7.5 Joule and we are only allowed to shoot on our own ground when there is no chance at all that a pellet could leave the ground you shoot on. Hunting is not allowed at all with airguns. With FAC airguns (WBK in Germany) you are not allowed to shoot on your own ground, only on shooting ranges. You only get a WBK when you can prove the need for that airgun and that is when you join a FT Club for at least one year and shoot there for at least 1 time a month. Then you have to do a test with questions about gun law and you have to shoot several guns to show that you can use them and handle them save. Thats why FT is realy rare in Germany. But shooting on 15mm kill zones up to 15m and 20mm kill zones up to 25m is also realy tricky and I'm happy with that.
So, be happy with what you have.
Regards
Ralph
If you're into PCPs...
When you go up from 12 ft/lbs, I understand the power curve gets remarkably steep, so you need a regulated gun. There seem to be plenty of PCPs out there around the 12 mark which manage fine without a reg. Then there's the air consumption from a FAC rated gun, too.
If you need the extra power for hunting, how much of a problem is it to go FAC? (Not trying to stir it, genuine question as I just do casual target stuff at the club with a 12-foot-pounder.)
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