New Defiant HFT pellet accuracy test...

[Riggsmakaveli]

The group would also be smaller if there was an initial aim point, fire one then aim at the hole is an inherantly flawed method unless the scope is pre-zerod to that pellet.

Was the OP shooting freehand or rested ? when testing a pellet it must be rested or off a bipod to eliminate human error.

I agree

1. Zero to a point
2. Use a control pellet (preferably one that is best suited to your rifle and barrel)
3. Carry out the test whilst the rifle is fixed in position to eliminate human error.
4. Chrono the rifle to determine its optimal fill pressure and performance range.
5. Clean the rifles barrel with a pull through.
6. Shoot a dozen pellets through the barrel before starting the test, I find lining the barrel with the lead from the pellet being tested makes all the difference.
7. Carry out the accuracy test in a indoor range to eliminate movement caused by wind, rain, air temperature and humidity (ok I'm being silly but you get my point)
8. The most important thing, individually weigh and inspect each pellet so every pellet shot is as similar as possible. (this is a must these days for HFT/FTcompetition, I do it and so do the best HFT/FT shooters).

I'm sorry Daryl but I personally feel your test doesn't prove a thing, you really need to give this another go with the above in mind, also as Hugh has stated give it a go with a single shot mag if you haven't already.

Every rifle and every barrel on a air rifle is unique and performs differently, the video you have posted is only a indication of how your rifle shoots these particular pellets. I have shot many rifles and have found some barrels to be particularly pellet fussy, and only after testing and shooting dozens of different pellets through them have I found the right one.

My last point, negative press coupled with amateurish testing methods doesn't do anyone any favours, especially not to the manufactures who spend thousands of pounds on testing before selling a product.

[bigtoe01]

I agree

1. Zero to a point
2. Use a control pellet (preferably one that is best suited to your rifle and barrel)
3. Carry out the test whilst the rifle is fixed in position to eliminate human error.
4. Chrono the rifle to determine its optimal fill pressure and performance range.
5. Clean the rifles barrel with a pull through.
6. Shoot a dozen pellets through the barrel before starting the test, I find lining the barrel with the lead from the pellet being tested makes all the difference.
7. Carry out the accuracy test in a indoor range to eliminate movement caused by wind, rain, air temperature and humidity (ok I'm being silly but you get my point)
8. The most important thing, individually weigh and inspect each pellet so every pellet shot is as similar as possible. (this is a must these days for HFT/FTcompetition, I do it and so do the best HFT/FT shooters).

I'm sorry Daryl but I personally feel your test doesn't prove a thing, you really need to give this another go with the above in mind, also as Hugh has stated give it a go with a single shot mag if you haven't already.

Every rifle and every barrel on a air rifle is unique and performs differently, the video you have posted is only a indication of how your rifle shoots these particular pellets. I have shot many rifles and have found some barrels to be particularly pellet fussy, and only after testing and shooting dozens of different pellets through them have I found the right one.

My last point, negative press coupled with amateurish testing methods doesn't do anyone any favours, especially not to the manufactures who spend thousands of pounds on testing before selling a product.

Great advice....I always profess you have to start with a squeeky clean gun, give it time to lead it, then shoot in a controlled way.

[ballisticboy]

A longer pellet will give better results in windless conditions but the Defiant HFT is short as it is designed for HFT shooting and should buck the wind better than a longer pellet.

Sorry, I do not understand what the pellet length has to do with how a pellet behaves in the wind.

[Villiers]

cross sectional area for a side wind to act on possibly

[Riggsmakaveli]

Sorry, I do not understand what the pellet length has to do with how a pellet behaves in the wind.

Maybe the idea in reducing the length of the pellet but increasing its weight gives it less surface area thus increased side wind resistance, and the weight ensures its heavy enough to hold energy down range. This is my theory I would like to hear the official stance from Hugh.

[ballisticboy]

I agree

1. Zero to a point
2. Use a control pellet (preferably one that is best suited to your rifle and barrel)
3. Carry out the test whilst the rifle is fixed in position to eliminate human error.
4. Chrono the rifle to determine its optimal fill pressure and performance range.
5. Clean the rifles barrel with a pull through.
6. Shoot a dozen pellets through the barrel before starting the test, I find lining the barrel with the lead from the pellet being tested makes all the difference.
7. Carry out the accuracy test in a indoor range to eliminate movement caused by wind, rain, air temperature and humidity (ok I'm being silly but you get my point)
8. The most important thing, individually weigh and inspect each pellet so every pellet shot is as similar as possible. (this is a must these days for HFT/FTcompetition, I do it and so do the best HFT/FT shooters).

I'm sorry Daryl but I personally feel your test doesn't prove a thing, you really need to give this another go with the above in mind, also as Hugh has stated give it a go with a single shot mag if you haven't already.

Every rifle and every barrel on a air rifle is unique and performs differently, the video you have posted is only a indication of how your rifle shoots these particular pellets. I have shot many rifles and have found some barrels to be particularly pellet fussy, and only after testing and shooting dozens of different pellets through them have I found the right one.

My last point, negative press coupled with amateurish testing methods doesn't do anyone any favours, especially not to the manufactures who spend thousands of pounds on testing before selling a product.

I agree with what you say about testing except for point 8. This will introduce a bias into your results. For instance, suppose you buy a tin of 500 pellets, 20 of which happen to be the same weight and size. The rest of the tin could be terrible so testing those 20 which happen to be consistent is not a true test of the pellet.
If you are using them in competition then yes, weighing and examining may be beneficial, but for pellet comparisons or ballistic testing pellets should be selected at random from a tin.
Glad to see you are saying the rifle should be fixed. You often see tests where people have stood firing a rifle and claiming they are doing a ballistic test. Every variable except the system being tested should be removed before testing, that includes the person firing the rifle. This does of course make it rather impossible to test a springer since you it is difficult to cock it without moving it.

[Kelly L]

I have just given these a quick test in the garden at 30 yards, HFT style, off a peg, groups were much better than the OP & that was with my TX

I would be interested to see a group from the OP using the single shot system or feeding them into the barrel.

[Marksman0445]

I agree

1. Zero to a point
2. Use a control pellet (preferably one that is best suited to your rifle and barrel)
3. Carry out the test whilst the rifle is fixed in position to eliminate human error.
4. Chrono the rifle to determine its optimal fill pressure and performance range.
5. Clean the rifles barrel with a pull through.
6. Shoot a dozen pellets through the barrel before starting the test, I find lining the barrel with the lead from the pellet being tested makes all the difference.
7. Carry out the accuracy test in a indoor range to eliminate movement caused by wind, rain, air temperature and humidity (ok I'm being silly but you get my point)
8. The most important thing, individually weigh and inspect each pellet so every pellet shot is as similar as possible. (this is a must these days for HFT/FTcompetition, I do it and so do the best HFT/FT shooters).

I'm sorry Daryl but I personally feel your test doesn't prove a thing, you really need to give this another go with the above in mind, also as Hugh has stated give it a go with a single shot mag if you haven't already.

Every rifle and every barrel on a air rifle is unique and performs differently, the video you have posted is only a indication of how your rifle shoots these particular pellets. I have shot many rifles and have found some barrels to be particularly pellet fussy, and only after testing and shooting dozens of different pellets through them have I found the right one.

My last point, negative press coupled with amateurish testing methods doesn't do anyone any favours, especially not to the manufactures who spend thousands of pounds on testing before selling a product.

I suggest you watch the video again....

I simply tested them in MY rifle in the "real world" Not everyone has access to an indoor range!!.....As mentioned in the video I cleaned the barrel and releaded before and during the pellet size change

After the test I also said on video "Just because I got bad groups with MY rifle, doesnt mean they wont work in any other"......

Not once have I given the company bad press, just merely posted MY findings with MY rifle so pull your head out of your ***

Darryl

[Marksman0445]

I have just given these a quick test in the garden at 30 yards, HFT style, off a peg, groups were much better than the OP & that was with my TX

I would be interested to see a group from the OP using the single shot system or feeding them into the barrel.

Yes, they seem to work a lot better in spring rifles.....

I'll be conducting the test as soon as conditions allow

Darryl

[Kelly L]

Yes, they seem to work a lot better in spring rifles.....

I'll be conducting the test as soon as conditions allow

Darryl

Would be interesting to see if the groups did tighten at all, although I do have doubts they will be better than JSB/AA.

I still don't see a big swing to change from diablo style pellets such as the JSB's though.

It is a real shame PAX won't change die's to allow for diablo style pellets, it really is. But they continue with the same stance that the bullet shape is better, yadda, yadda, yadda...

[Villiers]

Hi anyone got a BC for the Pellet and a drag figure ? , they may work but at FAC levels but may not at the speeds we have to run at in the UK sub 12

[Riggsmakaveli]

I suggest you watch the video again....

I simply tested them in MY rifle in the "real world" Not everyone has access to an indoor range!!.....As mentioned in the video I cleaned the barrel and releaded before and during the pellet size change

After the test I also said on video "Just because I got bad groups with MY rifle, doesnt mean they wont work in any other"......

Not once have I given the company bad press, just merely posted MY findings with MY rifle so pull your head out of your ***

Darryl

"real world" you are right not everyone has access to a indoor range. Just a tip though leave the testing to those who do have the facility and also have the experiance.

Maybe you got "bad groups" in your test because, A. Poorly regulated rifle, B. Not the optimum fill pressure, C. You can't hit a barn door on a good day. D. More than likely haven't got a clue what your doing. With this in mind I was simply giving you some pointers and tips to follow for your next so called pellet testing session, you might get some accurate results that way, and produce a video that can be relied upon.

Just some advice frendo, or you can continue with your amateurish methods and make poor videos, post them on YouTube so people can leave comments like this..

"glad I never bothered to try these bud, thought they would be crap, you did well to carry on with them"

Now because of your amateurish testing methods and poor video, someone has left the above comment is this not contributing to giving the company and brand bad press? Other users will see the video and comments like this, thus staying clear of the pellets entirely.

We can argue about this all day long, or you can accept the fact you employed some poor testing methods, the other thing you need to accept is you're not good at taking constructive criticism, learn from it and take every bit of advice people give you. If you don't then you can just go back to sticking your head up your ****

[Marksman0445]

"real world" you are right not everyone has access to a indoor range. Just a tip though leave the testing to those who do have the facility and also have the experiance.

Maybe you got "bad groups" in your test because, A. Poorly regulated rifle, B. Not the optimum fill pressure, C. You can't hit a barn door on a good day. D. More than likely haven't got a clue what your doing. With this in mind I was simply giving you some pointers and tips to follow for your next so called pellet testing session, you might get some accurate results that way, and produce a video that can be relied upon.

Just some advice frendo, or you can continue with your amateurish methods and make poor videos, post them on YouTube so people can leave comments like this..

"glad I never bothered to try these bud, thought they would be crap, you did well to carry on with them"

Now because of your amateurish testing methods and poor video, someone has left the above comment is this not contributing to giving the company and brand bad press? Other users will see the video and comments like this, thus staying clear of the pellets entirely.

We can argue about this all day long, or you can accept the fact you employed some poor testing methods, the other thing you need to accept is you're not good at taking constructive criticism, learn from it and take every bit of advice people give you. If you don't then you can just go back to sticking your head up your ****

Yes real world NOT LAB testing..... and not the fanatsy world that some airgunners live in thinking that everything is perfect..... open your eyes mate!

In answer to your points....

1. My rifles are maintained and adjusted by myself and balanced for consistency and I can guarantee this HW100 shoots RWS Superfields at a very consistent 11.3ftlbs with an average 9-10fps spread
2. The rifle is regulated so why would it have an optimum fill pressure
3. I've been shooting rifles since I was 8 and being ex forces "could possibly" have used larger calibres to good effect than you ever will, and could also provide a number of witnesses of my shooting ability
4. Probably got more of a clue than most people, if not I ask, find out and prictice till I know what Im doing

As I said and I'll say it again....the test was done on MY rifle, in an open air place..... and the results found and as mentioned in the video were for MY rifle..... I never once said they were crap!
and yes I can take constructive criticism, and I can learn from it.... Just like learning to ignore up their own **** people who think theyre right all the time

Enjoy!

Darryl

[Riggsmakaveli]

Yes real world NOT LAB testing..... and not the fanatsy world that some airgunners live in thinking that everything is perfect..... open your eyes mate!

In answer to your points....

1. My rifles are maintained and adjusted by myself and balanced for consistency and I can guarantee this HW100 shoots RWS Superfields at a very consistent 11.3ftlbs with an average 9-10fps spread
2. The rifle is regulated so why would it have an optimum fill pressure
3. I've been shooting rifles since I was 8 and being ex forces "could possibly" have used larger calibres to good effect than you ever will, and could also provide a number of witnesses of my shooting ability
4. Probably got more of a clue than most people, if not I ask, find out and prictice till I know what Im doing

As I said and I'll say it again....the test was done on MY rifle, in an open air place..... and the results found and as mentioned in the video were for MY rifle..... I never once said they were crap!
and yes I can take constructive criticism, and I can learn from it.... Just like learning to ignore up their own **** people who think theyre right all the time

Enjoy!

Darryl

I'm certainly not right all the time

1. You say your rifles been maintained and adjusted by your self, are you a gunsmith or engineer? What qualifies you to say you know what your doing.
2. Even regulated rifles have optimum fill pressures.
3. Shooting, since you where 8, in the armed forces or references from your friends doesn't prove how well you shoot.
4. You obviously don't have a clue, that's why I gave you some advice but you still think you know best

Some basic reading here to get you started, we will move on to GCSE stuff later.

http://www.pyramydair.com/article/In...bruary_2009/57

Let's see what you've learned if anything start as you say by trying to ignore this comment, that is after you've managed to deflate your ego and return your head to where it belongs two feet from your ....

[Marksman0445]

I nerver ignore any thread that concerns me.... and I can take it I'm a big boy.....

Yes I'm an engineer I have quals to prove it, all gained whilst I was serving in the forces
and yes youre correct too, my head is approximately 2ft from my ******* as is most peoples

seems funny how you can talk about someone you know f eck all about!!