Co2 pistol reliability

[schony]

What in your opinions is the most reliable, jam free co2 repeating pistol pellet or bb shooter. I have have had most of the Umarex models and not one has been jam free. A walther 99 I had it repaired and serviced many times and it never worked properly. I junked it in the end out of frustration. My cp88 jammed occassionaly, same with my 92f, now I have a 1911, 6 months old and hardly used, and yep it jams occassionaly as well. I had a baikal and the only time it jammed was when I used lead bb,s. I have a Twinmaster Trainer not a problem. Never jammed on me yet. I want to try IPAS but feel the Twinmaster is a little too ungainly, also where would I get a holster?
Any suggestions any one?

[Ian]

I have used Umarexes for IPAS mainly a tuned CP88 and never had a jam. In fact I own 4 CP88's and they function perfectly. Mind you all of my these have been the older models which I believe had better build quality.

The only jams Ive ever encountered is when I was new to this type of pistol and hadnt seated the pellets sufficiently in the 8 shot magazine. I use a small piece of hardwood dowel rounded at one end to do this now - Ive seen others use various implements. I always use RWS Hobbys. If you watch shooters at IPAS matched reloading you will see them all taking care re seating pellets.

Hope this helps.

[schony]

I have used Umarexes for IPAS mainly a tuned CP88 and never had a jam. In fact I own 4 CP88's and they function perfectly. Mind you all of my these have been the older models which I believe had better build quality.

The only jams Ive ever encountered is when I was new to this type of pistol and hadnt seated the pellets sufficiently in the 8 shot magazine. I use a small piece of hardwood dowel rounded at one end to do this now - Ive seen others use various implements. I always use RWS Hobbys. If you watch shooters at IPAS matched reloading you will see them all taking care re seating pellets.

Hope this helps.

I always use a match wadcutter but never used a tool to seat the pellets. That may be a wrinkle that could work for me. Worth giving it a try. When I purchased my Twinmaster 2nd hand, it arrived with wasp pointed pellets. The first mag went in and jammed. I immediately removed the pointed pellets, loaded with my wadcutters and never jammed since. Thank you for your input, I will geve that a try.
Alan

[Ian]

No problem Alan

I am typing this from my garage on the laptop and have a number of guns gassed up. Ive just tried loading a few magazines and shooting them through a CP88, 1911 and 92F without seating them with my home made tool. The mags all failed to rotate properly. the 1911 was worst but they all jammed at some point. Tried again - this time with the tool and no problems at all, not a single jam.

Cheers
Ian

[schony]

No problem Alan

I am typing this from my garage on the laptop and have a number of guns gassed up. Ive just tried loading a few magazines and shooting them through a CP88, 1911 and 92F without seating them with my home made tool. The mags all failed to rotate properly. the 1911 was worst but they all jammed at some point. Tried again - this time with the tool and no problems at all, not a single jam.

Cheers
Ian

Ian, thank you. It looks as though the problem is me, I have never seated pellets with a tool. I have always had problems with mags jamming. The conclusion seems obvious. I will try making me a tool and see how I get on. I do appreciate you guys helping me out with your greater experience. Have a very merry christmas and a happy new year all of you.
Alan

[JonRA]

Hi Schony

I have a 92fs and it has performed pretty well without fault - I only push pellets in with my finger as I haven't made a tool to seat them properly. I have a jam on two occasions - once with diabolo pellets and once with slightly loose pointed pellets (I also favour hobbies/wadcutters) - and the jam was simply because the pellets had migrated backwards and wouldn't let the mag index properly. Remove mag and seat (decent , not too loose) pellets properly and the problem has disappeared for me.

Other than the above two minor glitches, I have had no problems with my 92fs (circa 1500 pellets through it)

ATB

Jon

[schony]

Thanks Jon, It looks as though the fault lays with me lol.

[Ian]

The great thing about an on line community such as BBS is that you can benefit from others experience. Whenever I have posted a question here I have always been impressed by and appreciative of the support and advice provided.

[schony]

I have tried a 1/4 inch ball bearing and pressing that onto the pellet seats it nicely below the face of the magazine but still leaves plenty of clearance at the front of the mag. I will now find something, a piece of dowel or similar and set the ball bearing in that to use as my pellet seater. Thanks for all your advice guys.
Have a good un.
Alan

[schony]

The great thing about an on line community such as BBS is that you can benefit from others experience. Whenever I have posted a question here I have always been impressed by and appreciative of the support and advice provided.

I agree with you totally Ian,

[Ian]

A couple of years ago Phil Price from AirgunWorld magazine gave me one of these that he had in his shooting bag

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...psa7c3ed79.jpg

The 'ball' end seats the pellet perfectly

I believe that these were once given away free with the magazine

Using the ball end of the tool as a guide I made a 2nd out of wood as mentioned above

[schony]

Well , just to confirm what several members have told me on here, I fabricated a pellet seating tool utilising a 1/4 inch ball bearing, loaded 10 magazines and seated all the pellets with my tool, no pun intended, and emptied all magazines with no hang ups what so ever. Just goes to show most of the problems I had in the past were most likely due to this one item lol. you gotta laugh. Its the simple things in life.

[Ian]

Thats great - glad you got this sorted!

[derekm]

RWS Hobby have a large tail and are difficult/impossible to seat properly with fingers. A tool is needed. Use Geco or H & N Econo and they will seat with the ball of your thumb.

[schony]

RWS Hobby have a large tail and are difficult/impossible to seat properly with fingers. A tool is needed. Use Geco or H & N Econo and they will seat with the ball of your thumb.

Thanks Derek, I use pellets from Max Weiser they are branded H+N Match. I bought 5000 from Germany some years ago and am now getting to use them. They work a treat in my Twinmaster Trainer and these are what I am now using in my Colt. Yes they do need seating but waste not want not .
Alan