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    This scottish nonsence

    Just sat here wondering about it, if they apply for a ticket, do they have to itemise same as a fac down here?
    If so, would you technically be buying a firearm if you bought a registered airgun from north of the border.
    And next (I already know the answer to this) if singular airguns aren't itemised on their ticket , what the hell does it achieve as it does not regulate anything?

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    individual guns are not noted on the ticket. ticket is only to authorise the owner to hold ,buy and use airguns.
    its a money making exercise as it can't be be 100% enforced unless you buy your new or new to you guns Via an RFD.
    and we itemise our FAC guns up here too

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    individual guns are not noted on the ticket. ticket is only to authorise the owner to hold ,buy and use airguns.
    its a money making exercise as it can't be be 100% enforced unless you buy your new or new to you guns Via an RFD.
    and we itemise our FAC guns up here too
    More....and whilst RFDs must record details of anyone buying airgun, they don't have to notify Police as with Shotguns & Firearms!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DedIdick View Post
    More....and whilst RFDs must record details of anyone buying airgun, they don't have to notify Police as with Shotguns & Firearms!!
    knowing the Scottish government ,the rules and regs will change again as they missed a bit

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    As above

    The airguns themselves are not legal / illegal , their legal status remains the same thanks to the Firearms Act 1968 - as here , only the User/Owner needs to be certificated .
    The Cert. just the same as a Driving Licence - in effect .
    No serial numbers need be recorded - airgunners there can still own 1 or 100
    No provision to record individual guns - cos their status remains the same as
    above - as low power airguns - same as down here in England and Wales .

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    The air guns are not itemised because the Scottish Government used a completely made up figure (500,000) for the number of air guns in Scotland. Since there are only about 10,000 air rifle certificate applications, unless everyone has 50 guns they leave a lot of guns unaccounted for and would have to explain their BS figures or find 400,000 unlicensed guns...

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    Whats the criteria was selling between two private individuals (both in Scotland)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbranthwaite View Post
    Whats the criteria was selling between two private individuals (both in Scotland)
    not sure .ask to see each others license?


    just googled and can't find anything.
    Last edited by bighit; 06-01-2017 at 11:27 PM.

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    [QUOTE=bighit;7162348]not sure .ask to see each others license?


    just googled and can't find anything.[/QUOTE
    Scottish want rid a nicola sturgeon absolute gobshite

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbranthwaite View Post
    Whats the criteria was selling between two private individuals (both in Scotland)
    the seller needs to see the buyer's A.W.L. but no details need to be recorded, as the seller obviously has a licence.

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    A totally ill thought out Horlicks of an idea.

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    [QUOTE=scott hw77;7162450]
    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    not sure .ask to see each others license?


    just googled and can't find anything.[/QUOTE
    Scottish want rid a nicola sturgeon absolute gobshite
    all the Scottish parties agreed to the scheme.the SNPwere in power and pushed it through. there is nothing to say the other parties would have dropped it had they been in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbranthwaite View Post
    Whats the criteria was selling between two private individuals (both in Scotland)
    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    not sure .ask to see each others license?


    just googled and can't find anything.
    Looked through the proposed bill last year, think that even if you buy from a RFD, there was no requirement to show the licence - or did they close that loophole?

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    Just looked again & got the following (looks like they closed the loophole!)
    "24 Restrictions on transactions involving air weapons.

    (1) It is an offence for a person other than a registered firearms dealer, by way of trade or business, to—.

    (a) manufacture, sell, transfer, repair or test an air weapon.

    (b) expose an air weapon for sale or transfer, or.

    (c) possess an air weapon for the purposes of its sale, transfer, repair or testing.


    (2) It is an offence for a person (“A”) to sell or transfer an air weapon to another person (“B”) unless—

    (a) B is a registered firearms dealer,
    (b) B holds an air weapon certificate (without a condition attached to it preventing B from purchasing or acquiring an air weapon) and shows it to A,
    (c) A is a registered firearms dealer and is satisfied that—

    (i) in a case where B is an individual, B is aged 18 years or more, and
    (ii) the air weapon is to be delivered to a place outwith Great Britain, or to a registered firearms dealer in England or Wales, without first coming into B’s possession, or

    (d) B provides evidence to A that B is otherwise entitled to purchase or acquire an air weapon without holding an air weapon certificate by virtue of the provisions of this Part.

    (3) It is an offence for a person (“A”) to manufacture, repair or test an air weapon for another person (“B”) unless—

    (a) B is a registered firearms dealer,
    (b) B holds an air weapon certificate and shows it to A, or
    (c) B provides evidence to A that B is otherwise entitled to possess an air weapon without holding an air weapon certificate by virtue of the provisions of this Part
    ."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuffolkRifle View Post
    Looked through the proposed bill last year, think that even if you buy from a RFD, there was no requirement to show the licence - or did they close that loophole?
    yeah. to buy component parts I.E barrels ,pistons and even moderators you need to show your license
    Will I need a Scottish AWC for just the ‘component parts’ of an airgun, like a silencer?
    Yes. You will need one to own or acquire individual components that are required to fire the airgun – such as a spring, bolt or piston. More general components, like sights or bipods, will not require a certificate, though

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