Latest re: Steyr LP50

[Brian.Samson]

Hmmmmmmmmm.

I have to say that thus far my role in the legislative system has only been tried by -

1. firearms that really ARE the terble banned handguns of the kind that we lost back in '97.

2. firearms of the kind that have been prohibited in UK since the mid-1920s - ie, the Thompson SMG, the German Erma MP38, the MAC10, the Skorpion and so on.

3. replications of any of the above that are indistinguishable from the real thing at VERY close proximity - pellet-firing, Airsoft, some ornamental cigarette lighters.

4. gun-like objects that appear to be guns to the untrained/unfamiliar eyeball [as in most of the above, TTTT]

5. 'revived' de-acts, converted blank-firers or Brocock revolvers and pistols.

I have to admit that I've never encountered anybody using a £1500 Olympic-style air pistol to facilitate the commission of a crime.

Call me a pedant, but if it's called a firearm, then according to that it has to have a firearms certificate.

You are saying that it can STILL be a firearm, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it needs a firearms certificate?

That does not make much, if any, sense.

tac

the Firearms Act 1968.

Section 57 (i) contains the legal definition of a firearm :
In this Act, the expression “firearm” means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged...

That most certainly includes sub 12 air rifles and sub 6 air pistols.

A Shotgun is also a "firearm" - but it doesn't require a firearms certificate

The requirements (and exceptions) for a firearms certificate are contained in Section 1 of the act.

[Airsporter1st]

the Firearms Act 1968.

Section 57 (i) contains the legal definition of a firearm :
In this Act, the expression “firearm” means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged...

That most certainly includes sub 12 air rifles and sub 6 air pistols.

Correct. And in Section 3 (b) it excepts the requirement to hold a firearms certificate.

[Brian.Samson]

Correct. And in Section 3 (b) it excepts the requirement to hold a firearms certificate.

It does indeed - it's so much better to be able to quote the actual statute law than to just make stuff up isn't it

[Shed tuner]

It does indeed - it's so much better to be able to quote the actual statute law than to just make stuff up isn't it

What about an air shotgun ? Is that SGC or FAC ? Is it subject to the 3 shot limit ? What if it doesn't actually chamber the load of shot in "semi" mode but just "blows" it down the the barrel ? Can I have a full auto air shotgun if it just blows the load from the mag ? What if it was less than 12 FP ? Could I legally have a sawn off version if under 6 FP ?

Sorry, have I wandered off track ?

[RichardH]

What about an air shotgun ? Is that SGC or FAC ? Is it subject to the 3 shot limit ? What if it doesn't actually chamber the load of shot in "semi" mode but just "blows" it down the the barrel ? Can I have a full auto air shotgun if it just blows the load from the mag ? What if it was less than 12 FP ? Could I legally have a sawn off version if under 6 FP ?

Sorry, have I wandered off track ?

Jon

That's actually quite a laugh, years ago I wanted a Crosman 1100 which is a .38 CO2 smoothbore built for firing special shot cartridges

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Its quite pokey for an airgun and with a solid lead ball its about 30ft/ibs so I asked to add it to my firearms cert....

That opened a whole new can of worms as there is no category in the firearms act for gas powered smooth bore shotguns and no-one up to and including the Home Office could advise what to licence it as so in the end I just gave up, I'd still like one and if anyone has actually managed to licence one here I'd really appreciate an email as to how it appears on their FAC?

[bighit]

Jon

That's actually quite a laugh, years ago I wanted a Crosman 1100 which is a .38 CO2 smoothbore built for firing special shot cartridges

Its quite pokey for an airgun and with a solid lead ball its about 30ft/ibs so I asked to add it to my firearms cert....

That opened a whole new can of worms as there is no category in the firearms act for gas powered smooth bore shotguns and no-one up to and including the Home Office could advise what to licence it as so in the end I just gave up, I'd still like one and if anyone has actually managed to licence one here I'd really appreciate an email as to how it appears on their FAC?

post hers but no definite answer http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....it-legal-in-uk

[Cocksure]

As ever Bri, you're the bestest! I'm off to get myself a shotgun...no certificate needed!

So why bother with airguns when 12 bore sounds so much fun, and if I get stopped on the way from my shooting club with my shotgun and the copper says, do you have a licence for that, I will laugh in his face...all the way to magistrates, then crown! We do mean licence when we say fire arms certificate I assume?

I am amazed that such powerful firearms can be owned without recourse to license etc, my local gun shop, Henry Kranks won't sell me one without...should I sue?

Thanks

Tom

[Airsporter1st]

As ever Bri, you're the bestest! I'm off to get myself a shotgun...no certificate needed!

So why bother with airguns when 12 bore sounds so much fun, and if I get stopped on the way from my shooting club with my shotgun and the copper says, do you have a licence for that, I will laugh in his face...all the way to magistrates, then crown! We do mean licence when we say fire arms certificate I assume?

I am amazed that such powerful firearms can be owned without recourse to license etc, my local gun shop, Henry Kranks won't sell me one without...should I sue?

Thanks

Tom

You, too, would do well to read the act. You do not need a Firearms Certificate for a 'regular' shotgun ( read the act if you need to know which), but you do need a Shotgun Certificate.

[Cocksure]

You too, would do well to read the act. You do not need a Firearms Certificate for a 'regular' shotgun ( read the act if you need to know which), but you do need a Shotgun Licence.

And you should read my post properly before falling into the same pedants language trap Bri set....clever clogs!! You are assuming other people are not as able to read basic English as you are...etc etc.

That's why I only used the word license in relation to a shotgun......

[Airsporter1st]

And you should read my post properly before falling into the same pedants language trap Bri set....clever clogs!! You are assuming other people are not as able to read basic English as you are...etc etc.

That's why I only used the word license in relation to a shotgun......

Licenense? Good thing you edited it before I got the quote nailed!

[Cocksure]

Licenense? Good thing you edited it before I got the quote nailed!

You mean certificatement surely.....

[tacfoley]

You too, would do well to read the act. You do not need a Firearms Certificate for a 'regular' shotgun ( read the act if you need to know which), but you do need a Shotgun Licence.

'certificate' not license.

And thanks to all for putting me right about it. The legislation really IS a load of total shite, isn't it?

tac

[Airsporter1st]

'certificate' not license.

And thanks to all for putting me right about it. The legislation really IS a load of total shite, isn't it?

tac

Yes- certificate. Sorry!

[Cocksure]

'certificate' not license.

And thanks to all for putting me right about it. The legislation really IS a load of total shite, isn't it?

tac

Just 'cause it's the law doesn't make it 'right'.....you are correct in your slaggin' of the law and your assumptions would meet with approval from the man on the Clapham omnibus ( for those that enjoy law stuff..)

Stand by what you said and march, march on town hall!!!

[Brian.Samson]

'certificate' not license.

And thanks to all for putting me right about it. The legislation really IS a load of total shite, isn't it?

tac

Not total shite, but there are some glaring omissions in it. It mentions Air Pistols, but does not define them, it mentions 'lethal' as part of the definition of a firearm, but again does not define lethal as any set power level. It mentions 'Capable' but does not define what that means.

But it's no different from many other acts of parliament - the Highways Act for example, doesn't define what constitutes a Highway (how bizarre is that!)