Packham gets General License revoked!!!!

[223AI]

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I understand how the previous GLs. Worked and how the current GLs work
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A corvid in your garden is a problem to any nesting birds in the area!
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Nothing wrong with attracting predators if the overpopulated ones don't get to leave

Yep, I'm convinced.

How do you think Larsen and ladder traps work, you attract predators so you can stop them leaving!

[223AI]

https://www.songbird-survival.org.uk...136d-274118633

Seems someone else considers netting unsuitable due to the recent uproar in the media. And also condones mine and muskett’s every little helps benefit of controlling corvids.

[bighit]

Seems someone else considers netting unsuitable due to the recent uproar in the media. And also condones mine and muskett’s every little helps benefit of controlling corvids.

Did you see Micks request earlier ? obviously not

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Let's stick to the topic in hand lads, nets and where someone resides doesn't come into this.

Not good with written instructions are you ?

[223AI]

Did you see Micks request earlier ? obviously not

T 20 T 20 is offline
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Let's stick to the topic in hand lads, nets and where someone resides doesn't come into this.

Not good with written instructions are you ?

Netting for protection from birds and the article I posted are entirely on topic!

How many times in this thread have you mentioned nets? More than me that’s for sure.

Did you read the submission in the link I posted ?

[bighit]

Yes I have mentioned them before but I also know when the Moderator (whos decision is final as per the forum rules )of the forum asks to stop mentioning something that his request is the final word on it or I could be given a holiday for not heeding his request . It's called following the rules of the forum that like the general license some people have an issue with understanding .

No I did not read and I don't intend as it has nothing to do with thread in line with Micks request

If you want to carry on talking about them that fine by me ,I on the other hand abide by Micks request .

[Muskett]

But you are struggling to understand this.

Just because you think something should happen doesn't mean that's what the law allows to happen.

It's not the law writers failure to understand, it's your failure to understand that the law makers have considered the situation and the GL wasn't compliant with it. Best they sort it means they'll make licenses like you've seen in recent weeks so that those with pest issues as described can satisfy the license terms and those without can forget it.

Here you are wrong. What everyone has been doing for ion years in practice is what DEFRA thought they had allowed. Anything less would have caused a riot. Unless you think they have deliberately misinformed the public and the agricultural industry? They gave assurances that there would be no real change and saw many of the EU regulations as silliness that they are... "the waving of hands".

Sure the law doesn't reflect what being happening in practice, good practice at that as it was working. I am just saying the law should be change so it reflects what is practicable and seen to work.
Present law is impractical to administer, to police, and fails to get the job done. Written by muppets. And the establishment who work in the field know it.
For a few years now the powers at be ignored it because they didn't agree though had helped write it up. They hoped no one would notice or were just being irresponsible.
The goalpost need putting back where they belong.

[Muskett]

No maybe about , It's totally illegal .

I never said it was allowed but a bye product of pest control. Maybe shooting wood pigeon and harvesting Branchers should be allowed for the taking for supper?

[Muskett]

Which is allowed and is done so by following the regulations on its use .

Of course. Or get your own mouse/rat trap.

[bighit]

I never said it was allowed but a bye product of pest control. Maybe shooting wood pigeon and harvesting Branchers should be allowed for the taking for supper?

How many times have you said that shooting them for food was allowed ? More than once

[Muskett]

what does it matter ? do you have to live in a country to have a say on what's going on in it ? do you ever have a say in matters that happen in Scotland .show me the ruling on the BBS that says I have to stick to subjects in the country that I have listed in my profile ?

We are not, just you are arguing for the bureaucracy mess the GM is in, as if the law is sensible...which it isn't.
And your alternative suggestions smack of a KFC Urban Conservationist with no clue to the practicality of it all.
Plus to add insult you wouldn't allow Mr Allotment Man his pigeon pie unless he has done it as part of pest control, sent off for a license, proved he has tried other means, and recoded it all. And then suggesting he covers his allotment in plastic netting.
Is it me or is that daft?

[Muskett]

How many times have you said that shooting them for food was allowed ? More than once

You are not listening. Seem like your crusade is more important.

[RobF]

Here you are wrong. What everyone has been doing for ion years in practice is what DEFRA thought they had allowed. Anything less would have caused a riot. Unless you think they have deliberately misinformed the public and the agricultural industry? They gave assurances that there would be no real change and saw many of the EU regulations as silliness that they are... "the waving of hands".

Sure the law doesn't reflect what being happening in practice, good practice at that as it was working. I am just saying the law should be change so it reflects what is practicable and seen to work.
Present law is impractical to administer, to police, and fails to get the job done. Written by muppets. And the establishment who work in the field know it.
For a few years now the powers at be ignored it because they didn't agree though had helped write it up. They hoped no one would notice or were just being irresponsible.
The goalpost need putting back where they belong.

That is only your opinion. But that doesn't count. What does is what was/is lawful. And that situation, irrespective of it being good/bad/whatever, isn't allowed under the law, so it won't be going back to. Jumping up and down saying it's wrong, you don't like it, it's not fair, but, but, but, doesn't change that.

[RobF]

to add insult you wouldn't allow Mr Allotment Man his pigeon pie unless he has done it as part of pest control, sent off for a license, proved he has tried other means, and recoded it all. And then suggesting he covers his allotment in plastic netting.
Is it me or is that daft?

No it is and has been the law. Nothing has changed. He wasn't allowed to off pigeons for pie or pest control over a cabbage patch. The GL was for serious damage.

Again, jumping up and down crying wahh it's not fair doesn't change that what you seem to consider right hasn't been legal for a long time. Just because people thought it was, just because you think it should be, doesn't change it one single jot.

All it does is reinforce the idea that there were people out there before this shooting things outside of the GL. If you want to give those you oppose more ammunition then carry on. You are (almost) single handedly backing up WJ's point.

[bighit]

Of course. Or get your own mouse/rat trap.

correct . It's a allowed in the regulations of control of wild animals if used in line with said regulations

[T 20]

Yes I have mentioned them before but I also know when the Moderator (whos decision is final as per the forum rules )of the forum asks to stop mentioning something that his request is the final word on it or I could be given a holiday for not heeding his request . It's called following the rules of the forum that like the general license some people have an issue with understanding .

No I did not read and I don't intend as it has nothing to do with thread in line with Micks request

If you want to carry on talking about them that fine by me ,I on the other hand abide by Micks request .

The thing is that there are several threads about netting in None Airgun, and netting shouldn't really be of any importance in this thread.

I'd prefer this thread to stick to the subject of the GL and keep folks abreast of any developements, as being a farmer the new implementations could well hit me in the pocket.


Until I'm granted my GL I'll carry on as normal.


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