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    Jurassic Park BSA

    Has anyone tried to make a BSA Mk 1 roller-breech from the patent diagrams? It still baffles me why they never put this into production..

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    Maybe it was shelved with the outbreak of WW1. A few BSA designs were put on the back burner at that time. Then when hostilities finished a major re-organisation meant that the ideas were never revisited ? Just a theory mind ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    Has anyone tried to make a BSA Mk 1 roller-breech from the patent diagrams? It still baffles me why they never put this into production..
    I've not seen the designs Alistair, how different is it to the RB2 design? I'm sure they did a self opening RB design on the Firebird?
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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    I've not seen the designs Alistair, how different is it to the RB2 design? I'm sure they did a self opening RB design on the Firebird?
    Hello Pete, I can't find the link for the patent designs, I think it was similar to the modern one but of course there were no 'O' rings in those days so maybe it could not be sealed adequately.

    I had a Firebird for a while, BSA fixed the internals FOC as it was very inconsistent, but it then had an accuracy issue. Someone gave me John Bowkett's phone number and he said just to re-seat the barrel. It was extremely accurate after doing that. As far as I could tell the roller breech mechanism on the Firebird is almost exactly the same as that on the SuperStar, can't remember if it was self-opening. It's an interesting little rifle if you ever get offered one for a reasonable price, but I must warn you it has one of those annoying 13.9mm scope ramps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    Hello Pete, I can't find the link for the patent designs, I think it was similar to the modern one but of course there were no 'O' rings in those days so maybe it could not be sealed adequately.

    I had a Firebird for a while, BSA fixed the internals FOC as it was very inconsistent, but it then had an accuracy issue. Someone gave me John Bowkett's phone number and he said just to re-seat the barrel. It was extremely accurate after doing that. As far as I could tell the roller breech mechanism on the Firebird is almost exactly the same as that on the SuperStar, can't remember if it was self-opening. It's an interesting little rifle if you ever get offered one for a reasonable price, but I must warn you it has one of those annoying 13.9mm scope ramps.
    I'm used to the Maxigrip rails now, I think the Firebirds breech was slightly longer than the RB2 but I am going from memory from what I read in the mags at the time.
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    I have had a few Firebirds, John Bowkett told me it was one of the most accurate rifles made by BSA. I liked the ease of changing barrels with only two allen screws. Made a complete set of different calibres, just had to take a small amount of metal off the roll over breech to fit the .25 pellet into the barrel. Got a .30 cal barrel to fit just before I sold the rifle which would have needed a lot of metal removing off breech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakey View Post
    Maybe it was shelved with the outbreak of WW1. A few BSA designs were put on the back burner at that time. Then when hostilities finished a major re-organisation meant that the ideas were never revisited ? Just a theory mind ??
    Probably this.

    I did some research about my Falke 90, essentially a German Airsporter in everything but the name, and the patents used was filed by BSA in 1919 but not used by them until 1948 when they had expired.
    There are claims that Falke made these air rifles before the Airsporter came into production, but I've no solid evidence due to the lack of records from the Falke company.

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