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    I've only ever seen one VS2000 ever.
    I believe that one reason out of many that it never went into production is that they couldn't get a magazine to work well enough in one????

    I had expected the Holt one to find a home, so either the reserve was too high or it wasn't "all there" to be a high premium example for a collector.
    What worth a prototype? The Holt VS looked pretty smart, but did it actually go pop or was it just a mock up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    I have posted the Holts prewar airgun results here:

    https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....uns/#post-9002
    Thanks for that Danny.

    Good to see a nice looking Britannia sell for £320, with fees that’s a good price.

    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskett View Post
    I've only ever seen one VS2000 ever.
    I believe that one reason out of many that it never went into production is that they couldn't get a magazine to work well enough in one????

    I had expected the Holt one to find a home, so either the reserve was too high or it wasn't "all there" to be a high premium example for a collector.
    What worth a prototype? The Holt VS looked pretty smart, but did it actually go pop or was it just a mock up?
    The VS2000 was shelved due to BSA being taken over by Gamo, The one in Holts appears to be the one that went out for review in one of the Airgun magazines and never re-appeared afterwards

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    The VS2000 certainly got some pre launch publicity. Not sure it was fully work perfect in the article???? Was there ever a finished rifle? All academic now because it didn't go into full production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskett View Post
    The VS2000 certainly got some pre launch publicity. Not sure it was fully work perfect in the article???? Was there ever a finished rifle? All academic now because it didn't go into full production.
    I think that they only made a few, l know John Knibbs had at least one or more of them if my memory is right.

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    This information was given by John Bowkett who in addition to working with BSA worked as a consultant for El Gamo on various projects. It was at the time of the Anglo Spanish buyout of the airgun side. He asked the boss man at El Gamo about the VS2000 and was told that irreparable difficulties over coming to terms with Roy Hutchinson, who designed the VS2000 or parts of it, finally killed off the project. He seemed to recall being told a total of 12 factory pre-production prototypes being made for evaluation. Some of the pre-production prototypes were always sent to airgun/gun magazines for their comments and for a magazine review to be ready for when the new rifle was launched. These were rarely returned

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwayjames View Post
    This information was given by John Bowkett who in addition to working with BSA worked as a consultant for El Gamo on various projects. It was at the time of the Anglo Spanish buyout of the airgun side. He asked the boss man at El Gamo about the VS2000 and was told that irreparable difficulties over coming to terms with Roy Hutchinson, who designed the VS2000 or parts of it, finally killed off the project. He seemed to recall being told a total of 12 factory pre-production prototypes being made for evaluation. Some of the pre-production prototypes were always sent to airgun/gun magazines for their comments and for a magazine review to be ready for when the new rifle was launched. These were rarely returned
    That was not very good of them.

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    Maybe the old company still owed them something...?? And the new company was all new...?? All sorts goes on with a change of management.
    At least BSA was to make another springer and one that did sell well. It wasn't the VS2000, BSA looking Tracker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskett View Post
    Maybe the old company still owed them something...?? And the new company was all new...?? All sorts goes on with a change of management.
    At least BSA was to make another springer and one that did sell well. It wasn't the VS2000, BSA looking Tracker.
    Well the VS2000, did have some input at BSA, as it turned into the Goldstar, which was much better, as you did not have to turn the magazine by hand. which was the big drawback with the VS2000

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    Goldstar, yes that is the one. Pretty useful rifle by all accounts.
    BSA did find new models and a new business model, and why they are still going strong.

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    Vs2000

    The weight didn't help either. Mach 1.5

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