New Break Barrel Springer..Why

[Mach 1.5]

Never rated them hence sold both of mine. Have to say Les as a lovely shooting reduced cylinder VMach one. Mach 1.5

[oldskoolzzz]

I personally think they are the best thing since sliced bread ldgrin, always have done.
I will be bringing one to the Boinger bash,your more than welcome to have a play with it if you’re coming to the Bash.
Les..

That’s very kind of you Les and if the stars align I would love to try one

You best be a fast runner though

[oldskoolzzz]

Never rated them hence sold both of mine. Have to say Les as a lovely shooting reduced cylinder VMach one. Mach 1.5

Strange old hobby sometimes 🤔

It’s like the Longbow, I wanted one for ages got one but didn’t really like it so moved it on

Think the thing I struggle with the most is ‘Triggers’ I’m so used to the Rekord and CD that it’s imprinted for life

[TonyL]

Yeah, I just shot my 87-88 vintage 85.
The only change I've done on the gun is change the old steel guide for a fitted synthetic guide on a modern Hw95 steel flange, and it behaves VERY well.
It just does not like JSB pellets like most more recent HW's.

In the absence of the old-school HW85, with the screw-in end block, I think the current day HW95 / 98 platform is superb and ticks many boxes. Suitably fettled to suit the user's market's power requirements, they're solid, shoot sweetly and are accurate. Or a 99......

And, personally, I don't have a problem with the push-in end block and retaining blocks.

[oldskoolzzz]

In the absence of the old-school HW85, with the screw-in end block, I think the current day HW95 / 98 platform is superb and ticks many boxes. Suitably fettled to suit the user's market's power requirements, they're solid, shoot sweetly and are accurate. Or a 99......

And, personally, I don't have a problem with the push-in end block and retaining blocks.

I’ve never tried an early 85 (mk1) but have been down the regular 95 route multiple times.

As you know Tone currently working on a modernish 95 to see how good I can get one.

I don’t mind the push in end block either especially when tinkering as like many others just fit opposite sides with the tiles and it’s a doddle to strip and repeat when needed.

Think I’ve perhaps exhausted myself with the 99 as I’ve done them to death although I still probably prefer the 99 if I really was forced to choose. However I feel the 95 is dare I say built better than the 99 especially the cocking arm setup as I much prefer a proper shoe and non articulated arm.

The 95 is probably a good blank canvas platform where folks really don’t need the ooomph or weight of an 80

Yes hold sensitivity and muzzle flip can raise there ugly head but many other springers need to be treated in a similar way.

[Muskett]

Modern manufacturing is push button and produce 200 units. Assembly just needs to click into place. Tolerances are superb. There is little time for human input, and fettling. All the work is done before at the design and machine setting stage.
So sure a design might be done, and product manufactured, but the risk is it has to work as planned. The real issue is that spring rifles have a whopping big spring in them that ruins the end result as no two springs behave the same way. HW factory rifles only get great if additional work done on them, and even a AA can be further improved.
Add "break barrel" and that is another unreliable repeatable error built in.

The market demands repeatability perfection. Which with a spring is almost impossible to deliver on.

Frankly, a Gas Ram would be better. Here quality of the gas ram adds a cost so most are OK but not of the old Theoben quality.

And then why do it when a PCP delivers and less trouble? Thing is a PCP is a consumable, and like a modern car requires servicing eventually, or buy a new rifle. Manufacturers need sales, best repeated every ten years...repeat orders. Springers don't go wrong fast enough, and most retired because they got rusty and tatty, not because they stop going bang. Some wear out. Few are accurate much beyond farmyard ranges. PCPs are far more accurate and only seals that might give out, but little else to go wrong.

Anyhow, I've said what my perfect break barrel might be. A custom batch of ten could be made from scratch for under £2k, but not £500. Getting ten people to agree might be the difficult bit beyond money.

[ratbuster2240]

I would like to see Weihrauch sort out the 57 loading port with a Stirling HR81 style bolt and a reliable rotary magazine.

[Shed tuner]

Never rated them hence sold both of mine. Have to say Les as a lovely shooting reduced cylinder VMach one. Mach 1.5

you need to try them at 20FP mate.. a completely different beast when running as intended. At 12 Fp they suck, without re-engineering.

[Mach 1.5]

The Webley Tomahawk will do that JB and it's a little less weight but I see where you are coming from. Mach 1.5

[Shed tuner]

The Webley Tomahawk will do that JB and it's a little less weight but I see where you are coming from. Mach 1.5

Oh yes, I wish I'd kept mine. I had both the long and short stroke pistons. One of the few guns I regret selling.

[les allam]

The Webley Tomahawk will do that JB and it's a little less weight but I see where you are coming from. Mach 1.5

Imagine AA making the Tomahawk with a 23-24 mm piston and the correct stroke ,CD trigger and the overall good looks and handling.
Put me down for one of those please :cool.
Les..

[les allam]

Oh yes, I wish I'd kept mine. I had both the long and short stroke pistons. One of the few guns I regret selling.

Have you not seen one come up for sale at Kempton arms fair Jon?
Les..