New Break Barrel Springer..Why

[flyingfish]

The only off the shelf break barrel I've found that fits me stock wise, is my Theoben Sirocco 2000, if it wasn't so hard to cock, then I'd use it more often, I wonder if getting that fettled into a reduced cylinder springer would be the way to go (awaits abuse from rammer lovers)

Just sold mine purely because of the cocking effort

[Muskett]

Maybe for another thread, but the ram is a superior power plant to a spring. There isn't the twist factor. All coiled springs twist a bit when releasing energy. The laser glide was trying to minisise that. Both ends should be on a ball bearing system.

[TonyL]

Both systems have their own advantages and disadvantages.

Going smaller bore would gain efficiency, Pete. And you know how good Jon and Nick can get these. Not sure if the Theoben purists would be happy, though.......At the end of the day it's your gun to do what you want with. Much will depend on whether you think this is a long term keeper and how much you want to use it.

[TonyL]

Just sold mine purely because of the cocking effort

Glad to hear that one has gone, Pete.

[32:1]

I completely get the "we are a minority, most folks don't care much, and if we do we can get them tuned or converted" argument.


But what annoys me is the really easy, cheap steps manufacturers could take to make them more usable at our power levels.

TX200 is a case in point - offer it with two latch rod lengths. I mean, how quick / simple / cheap would that be !?!??! It just screws into the piston !

A little more work, but for HW to do a longer latch rod option on the 95 or 80 would pretty damn cheap too !

I get the sleave downs, gliding, etc etc is more costly and will not really improve mass market sales, but the above would cost pennies and give a really good benefit that a significant proportion, maybe 20-30% of the market would absolutely appreciate, and that must translate into sales... surely ?

You are bang on as so many guns could be tweaked at manufacture to suit and work better at 16j and often at zero or very little extra cost. But right here we also see their lack of interest in the actual market and they can carry on pumping that stuff out as it sells, why change it and yes I see their point I do.
I think it could change if people stopped buying certain models and then putting them right or where they want them to be, if we would change our habits of buy, tune and shoot it might make a manufacturer think about it, but where’s the fun in that 😂
Let’s face it, even Herman doesn’t care that much as they just won’t address the galling issue so how can we expect to see other changes, even Cometa who have such a sweet 16j powerplant in the 300, but a fairground trigger that could easily be adapted to the 400 or even 220 trigger, but I guess it’s just not worth it, and AA could simply reduce that volume easily too. I bet theres dozens of boingers that little things would transform them not just those.

Just perhaps 16j or even airguns as a whole just aren’t sold in enough numbers or profit to warrant changes, we might think so but we don’t run factories.

[TonyL]

Maybe for another thread, but the ram is a superior power plant to a spring. There isn't the twist factor. All coiled springs twist a bit when releasing energy. The laser glide was trying to minisise that. Both ends should be on a ball bearing system.

As you say, maybe for another thread. But, yes, I do feel that probably the most significant advantage of a gas ram is that lack of spring twist / torque. That, plus the absence of the thrashing about and to-ing and fro-ing of the spring, even after the piston has come to rest, as highlighted by those wonderful slow motion videos we were treated to a while ago.

[Neil54]

I have seen a Beeman with a magazine.
I like the look of it and the magazine is metal.

Something different.

[flyingfish]

I have never seen the point of magazine fed break barrel
I can see it better on the Gold Star or SLR but once you've broken the barrel 90% of the work is done

[TonyL]

Agreed. And I prefer single loading by hand and feeling the pellet into the breech. Gives me more confidence. Also, I've always felt that magazine fed guns can run the risk of letting the shooter rush the shot more whereas, with a single shot, the shooter might feel he / she has invested more in the shot and everything feels a little more deliberate / more controlled? Very little time-saving too, as you say.

The main instance where I can envisage magazine fed guns being an advantage is if ratting, especially in poor lighting conditions, if the action is coming thick and fast.....